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This League Sucks!
  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 08:59:31 PM | Thorian
  I'm pleased to announce the creation of a new RTCW league, properly titled "This League Sucks." People are constantly complaining about one issue or another regarding CAL, TWL, STA, etc. The purpose of this new league is to restore some level of control back to people who play the game without an overbearing organization breathing down its neck. It also is meant to prove that it doesn't take a fancy user interface, graphical design, or lots of money to conduct an awesome league where everybody has fun.

On that note, take a look at http://www.thisleaguesucks.com . I am also idling in #thisleaguesucks, but at this point encountered trouble registering it with Gamesurge because of the name. More on that in the future.

I started programming the league on Friday night. It is now mid-Sunday and the bulk of the functionality is complete. That is how simple it is to create a league, my friends. And that is how easy it will be to play in this league. No messy rules, no jackass admins, and no fishy business. You simply sign up, and play. What a novel concept!

Anyway, the league is currently set to be on Sundays, but teams can reschedule so long as the match is done by Thursday of that week. Maps will follow CAL and TWL and STA and everybody else, of course.

The one new feature that sets this league apart is that it is based on the Swedish scheduling system. Basically, teams will always play a team that has the exact same record each week. If you are a 2-0 team, you will play another 2-0 team. If you are 3-5, you will play another 3-5 team. What this means is that as the league progresses, you will find your matches becoming more and more equal in skill. You may play the same team several times, but in the end there can only be one undefeated team.

The league season runs until you have a winner, which fluctuates based on the number of teams in the league.

At this point there are a few core features to be added to the website, but right now you can register, create a team, and join an existing team. If you're tired of some of TWL and CAL's problems and want to still play in a league where the competition each week will fit your team's skill, please consider This League Sucks. Thanks!


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  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:09:55 PM | -(-DaKind-)- v | ^ | #
man this is the suckiest league to ever suck on the sucky planet suckass

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:14:59 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
... and it appears the domain registrar sucks too as it went down again. They had some issues originally, looks like they weren't quite resolved, so I'm having them look at it again now ... hopefully goes back up soon, now that I've written a big ass post and all :(

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:22:26 PM | Senatorrov? v | ^ | #
for that sweedish shit, your gonna need a shit ton of teams for it to work

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:25:44 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
naw, you can go through the rotation several times if need be.

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:30:23 PM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
k

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:32:56 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
Going great lengths so your hacking buddies on Trinity can play in a league again, eh?

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:35:50 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
No, anybody that has been banned from cal or twl won't be playing in this league either. I've already had a couple ask :p

BTW, the whole point of this league is so that ppl can play w/o issues from the league or admins. I can't stop you guys from creating your own bullshit though. If you do shit like try to bring in hackers under dif names and guids or things of that nature you'll ruin it. This is supposed to be a fresh start, and hopefully bring out the GOOD nature of ppl who play rtcw. I realize there are a thousand dif ways to exploit the website and rules and all this crap, but my hope is that just because its possible doesn't mean you will. If people do, I'll just kill the whole thing.

If you guys want RTCW to be considered for things like Quakecon or have more people start playing again, a league like this one better be a success. If you guys fuck it up, then don't expect anybody else to try and help you out.

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 09:43:56 PM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
a league named this league sucks will get us into QCON, now we really HAVE tried everything

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:05:53 PM | -Raze- v | ^ | #
Is this going to be a 6v6 league? 5v5 would be real fun too. How many weeks are you planning? What is the proposed map rotation

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:06:25 PM | -Raze- v | ^ | #
Is this going to be a 6v6 league? 5v5 would be real fun too. How many weeks are you planning? What is the proposed map rotation. Do you see there being a conflict of playing because most teams scrim on sunday nights? do you plan on using the same rotation as CAL???

Raze

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:22:06 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
6v6 OSP unless overwhelming majority want someting else, maps same as all the other leagues, and if need be treat Sunday match for this league as prep for the other leagues, don't mater to me :p

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:27:22 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
I would just rather see a more organized, "professional" looking league. Not that a new league will solve much, the teams are too spread out between mods and leagues as it is.

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:28:18 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
did raze just sign his post?

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:33:31 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Juve - then don't fuckin play genius. It's there for those who want it.

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:47:19 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
I wasn't planning on it, much like everyone else.

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 11:56:20 PM | v1D v | ^ | #
damn people these days, they just don't understand the measures people like Thor are taking to help the community

there are too many negative attitudes in this community to make it prosper imo

  Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 11:59:37 PM | conscious* v | ^ | #
Well if you do make this league I suggest putting maps such as Axis_Complex and Te_Frostbite because chateau sucks and the fps lag on some maps are ridiculous such as village put you cant take that map out.




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  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 12:02:19 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
This is supposed to be a fresh start
anybody that has been banned from cal or twl won't be playing in this league either

Doesn't sound like much of a fresh start imo. Take out the global bans, and maybe people will actually try a "fresh start" themselves without h4x.

Why not try a 3v3 or 4v4 league? That way you'd have more teams to match records against. Not to mention a total of 6 or 8 people running around in a server won't tax peoples hardware so much.

I mean, I don't know why anyone would play in this league if it doesn't set itself apart from the others, so take out the ban's and make it 3v3!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 12:56:47 AM | wooks v | ^ | #
wow that sucky thing use the "s" work too sucking much..i mean wts..wtsh is going on..stop sucking it on sucking join suckers.

SUCK THE SUCKING SUCKERS

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 01:19:18 AM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
loxodonte, you can't even play in a league that really sucks. You fuckin suck, imo

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 01:59:40 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
maybe, but you still got raged by my close range mauser.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:02:29 AM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Hmm, that's a good point Lox. I guess it depends on what people want. I just assumed nobody would want ppl who hacked before to play, since that's what a lotta ppl complain about. And Re: 6v6, it really doesn't matter the format -- none of that is locked in by the programming or anything. It could be a 2v2 COD deathmatch and be the same :p

SO yeah, give me the ideas and let me know what you guys want to do and we'll do it. Everything has to start somewhere :)

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 03:13:03 AM | !tH!Gutshot v | ^ | #
listen to Juv Thorian....he knows what he's talking about.

He did run that highly successful States Cup after all :|

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 03:44:19 AM | BiRdZ meshugr v | ^ | #
I'd like to suggest NOT following the map rotations of CAL/TWL. It could just be an overload on some maps. Just an idea, mix it up a bit! ;)

Throw in some badass custom maps in there, like kungfugrip and mitchelldown. I think leagues in a way killed themselves out on just playing the GOTY mappack, that alot of custom maps are out there that nobody even tried out.

Good luck with it bud :)

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 03:48:15 AM | v1D v | ^ | #
ROFL!

fu|greatone! > i`juventus
1-0

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 03:54:28 AM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Ok, well, maybe what I'll do is put up some polls on the website for people who register (no I'm not going to do anything with your info except verify you are a real person..) and we'll go from there. Right now I just want to stress that this is a real league that will be run seriously, and the whole "sucks" concept was just one that warchild and myself developed as a gimmick. I hope we do get some participation just to keep RTCW going and interesting.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:27:32 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
I like the idea of a new league, and polls are a great idea, infact you might wanna have a poll on the name of the league. ;p

3v3's people!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:58:25 AM | tTt-BeeZ v | ^ | #
Change matches to sunday so people can have lives, ok thanks bye bye

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:59:18 AM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Matches are on Sunday, Beez :p

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:21:20 AM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
what kind of life are u having on tuesday?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:47:13 AM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
I get no credit for anything. Fucking hell.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:08:05 AM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Warchild came up with the "sucks" concept and wanted to do a league, I credit him for coming up with those ideas initially. I don't mean to slight him, I didn't realize he was pushing for a new league when this all came about as well. So, don't forget to thank warchild too, he needs a hug!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:18:33 AM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
hug me.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 07:13:44 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
some people have jobs and girlfriends. Hince, they like to come home from work, come in the gf, and go to bed.

life imo.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 07:22:43 AM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
Donks, lets calm down buddy, your an angry little roosky! Lets all spread the love....

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 07:28:58 AM | Sage-Buzzard v | ^ | #
Will dm_base be taken into consideration for the comp play in this league, where the team with the most corner camp kills wins the match?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 08:13:32 AM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
This is a letter of love. Hacking, cheating, and exploiting have poisoned our small society of gamers. We believe if we send out our love to the people they will stop polluting our atmosphere with this negative energy. We mean to spread love among people who share the same passion as us: passion for fun and competitive gaming. If you copy this letter and send it to 5 different people you might acquire happiness and you might game in peace. Also think how you may touch someone who is in need of this love letter and help them to further enjoy their RTCW experience. However, results may vary from person to person. Studies show tremendous improvement in the morale of those who complete this assignment.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 08:29:43 AM | Cowboy|Ryan921 v | ^ | #
Im in full support of this league sucks! I think its a great idea and great name I couldn't do better myself. I can't wait to play It's a wh@ DA C][aMPz Le@GKUE.. #cowboy and #fags supported and endorsed saDDle Up Boyz! polish those saddles!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:21:13 AM | GGAllin v | ^ | #
hahaha oh man thats funny... wait are you serious?!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 12:47:14 PM | gisele v | ^ | #
Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2005 at 10:21:20 PM | doNka, PhD v | | #
what kind of life are u having on tuesday?

Gilmore Girls, duh?!!!

Also, don't knock Thor for trying. You're all a bunch of pussies. I'm for the most part, one of the only girls left in this community, and you kids are 10309849038409380438 x's worse with or without me. I simply stir the shit here and there. Just do this -> Remove tampon, whip out the Summer's Eve, clean that shit out real nice and then insert new tampon. (I recommend Super Heavy's for some of you)

STOP BICKERING, IF I WANTED TO SEE THIS I WOULD READ www.XEMOXCORE.COM

Lastly, I would like to nominate Serbian as the mascot of the new league. *heart*


  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 01:15:31 PM | -x-eternal v | ^ | #
This post sucks. Thorian sucks. Juventus sucks. Gisele sucks. *wink wink*

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 01:20:33 PM | gisele v | ^ | #
My mom says "sucking" is what vaccums do.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:45:55 PM | bull-z-@ v | ^ | #
hack-free league imo? hardware ban nS and the rest of the french haxing nazis and maybe the game will keep 40% of its players after this season. Or perhaps find a way to limit globals on servers down to 2 lines at a time. Only so much spam anyone can handle.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:47:01 PM | bull-z-@ v | ^ | #
and btw intional is a fag.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:53:58 PM | BiRdZ meshugr v | ^ | #
a ringer rule :o . no really. if a team can't get a full squad going, they can enlist ONE ringer for their match, regardless if that person is on another team or not. hell, ringers don't always HELP teams win, they occasionally just fill an empty space. And that was one thing I was good at; filling up da empty space.

Just a thought, probably retarded (ok yes) but lets open some doors here, instead of donka's sarcasm and Gisele talking about how awesome she is. BTW Gisele I clicked that link and nothing happened. I'm gonna have to get emo and insert teh tampon.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 02:57:14 PM | BiRdZ meshugr v | ^ | #
Besides, rosters are overrated

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:04:08 PM | v1D v | ^ | #
So now that the NCAA Brackets are out, I now say that Illionis will make it to the Elite 8 without trying.....definitely the easiest road to the Elite 8. It's definitely gonnna be a hella game for the Illini to get to the Final 4; I'm expecting Illionis to play Ok. State.........If Illinois beats Ok. State, then they are gonna go to the Final.

With this said, take out the pencils and start filling out them brackets.

A few tips for filling out your brackets:
1. A #1 seed has never lost to a #16 seed
2. The Final Four has never had all #1's
Last but not least...
3. THERE ARE ALWAYS UPSETS!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:04:13 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
What happens when a team enters the league in week 3 and has a 0-0 record? Will they ever get to play their swedish opponent?

Not mocking, just saying that you're swedish system seems to be the way the schedules are made out, for the most part, right now.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:07:16 PM | v1D v | ^ | #
does that mean that only the teams that sign up before the season starts can only play then?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:15:51 PM | palad1n v | ^ | #
the swedish have only one great thing about them, not thier scheduling system of even thier clogs. thats right people, im talking about SWEDISH FISH >))>

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:04:30 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
a ringer rule :o . no really. if a team can't get a full squad going, they can enlist ONE ringer for their match

If it were a 3v3 league, I can't imagine why you'd ever be without a full squad. Roster problems are a thing of teh past. :D

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:13:21 PM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
That's the love spreading, motherland loving donks I know! Good jorb lil buddy!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:14:52 PM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
And I haven't gotten any hugs yet....

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:50:17 PM | c][beast v | ^ | #
i will sign my team up for this league

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:51:45 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
typical 7nup HaXaplonty wanting his hacking butt buddies to be able to play in a league again. You are one of the nutless haxing faggots that helped kill RtCW you stupid forum hurring prison trick. All convicted hacking faggots must die, period. Your lucky there was never any server crasher pb bans too or you'd be doing 2 life sentances nub2. A faggot who does nothing but forum hurr 24/7 must be a pathetic existence.
Lemme help you respond, lil fonz, coatails, fo shizzle muh nizzle, umm I think that should cover it.
This league, I mean if the community was larger but, now? There are like 16 TWL teams, 6 STA teams, appx 22 CAL teams and now a new league?
The kids shit in the sandbox and now it stinx and they want to go down the street to Billies house to play. Umm oh ok now...
Dont get it twisted, I am not hating on this idea but, Sundays are scrim nights for what is left for CAL, Thursday nites already have shrub league taking away scrims, that leaves what Monday to scrim for CAL?
Lol, I'm prolly not around next season anyways, got any room on the forum bench gisele?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:01:46 PM | conscious* v | ^ | #
Vid. Heres the final four.

Wake Forest North Carolina

Illinios Syracuse

UNC beats ILL in the final 89-79

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:02:24 PM | conscious* v | ^ | #
GO MICHIGAN STATE THOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:05:34 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
If a team joins late they play in the bottom pairings. If an odd # of teams has the same record, one will play a team from the next record bracket up. If that creates an odd number in that bracket, then one from that bracket will play a bracket up etc until all matches are scheduled.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:09:42 PM | .asf.Angel.gp v | ^ | #
Good Idea Thorian! I did not read through this whole post but Im gonna add my 2 cents just incase it didnt come up allready.

Having diffrent maps than the cal/twl that week will only garantee failure. STA does this.. How many teams are in sta? Get the point.

11est is a realy late defualt time. I can understand perhaps the westcoast players are sick of the earlier times when they have work and stuff and you do have the 2 teams can agree on a time up to thursday cluase but still if someone wants to be a dick 11est is still late for the eastcoasters.

Also any thought on the pb cvar limits? I think something that would add some fun to this is no cvar limits other than the basics like shownormals and shit. Lets not limit picmips or intesity or rmse lets get wild and do whatever we want.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:11:25 PM | .asf.Angel.gp v | ^ | #
Sweedish ranking system rocks imo

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:40:44 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
You know what, I was trying to mean it would be 7pst for the west guys. That's 10est for east. I think that's the default time for CAL/TWL/STA etc too. That is the time it should be at, not 11est. My bad.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:41:39 PM | FMJ|Virv v | ^ | #
I am very confused... was that a real chat room?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 06:58:22 PM | Carnal v | ^ | #
This probably doesn't relate, but...

http://hitman.us/main.html

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 07:11:25 PM | Mortal :o v | ^ | #
This League Sucks, nice name :P

Also, a dif format from 6v6 would be cool.

Global bans should be kept on, otherwise styles69 and nikon would be running around hacking the place up :).

Gl with the league Thorian.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 08:40:53 PM | KrAzYkAzE v | ^ | #
The only thing I would think would be a good addition to our community is a Degeneration ladder. Those guys have put a lot of hard work into the mod and it's pretty sweet. Good luck Thorian.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 08:45:37 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
seems to me we all gona have to join blur for this league.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:06:22 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
what exactly were CAL/TWL's "problems" this season? i'm not saying there weren't any, but as far as i saw, this season went by without much incident. except for the few hackers caught that ruined it for their teams.

no messy rules, no admins? i don't see how this will help things at all. these things are there for very valid reasons.

you say this is supposed to be a fresh start, but what's truly different? same maps as CAL/TWL, swedish scheduling which doesn't have a huge impact on the "feel" of the league. i'm trying to think constructively but this whole thing seems delusional from the ground up.

"If you guys want RTCW to be considered for things like Quakecon or have more people start playing again, a league like this one better be a success. If you guys fuck it up, then don't expect anybody else to try and help you out."

WTF ??? who thinks like this? it "better" be a success? if "you guys fuck it up"? have you considered if the league fails it could be that it was poorly thought out? what about this league will A) make quakecon consider it more seriously than CAL/TWL (note: the league is called "This League Sucks") B) cause people to return to play if they haven't already. same players, same maps, same problems, if not more.

"I am also idling in #thisleaguesucks, but at this point encountered trouble registering it with Gamesurge because of the name." this says a lot about the problems with the concept, gl

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:07:42 PM | KrAzYkAzE v | ^ | #
Damn donka, do you have alzheimer's?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:26:03 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Kalamazoo --

No messy rules, no JACKASS admins. I never said no admins, chief. It's a fresh start meaning the league can be sculpted how those who play RTCW want it to be sculpted. We don't have to be limited by the templates of CAL and TWL - I can add or remove whatever features you guys want. You won't have issues like not being able to lock rosters, or matches being forfeited because a GUID didn't match up when there's evidence to prove the person is legit regardless. Those are the kinds of downfalls with CAL and TWL I'd like to do away with, and only by creating a new league can I do this.

Also, note that I said a league LIKE this one needs to be a success for organizations like Qcon to consider RTCW for a tournament. I never said this particular league would have to be, but it sure wouldn't hurt. It's a demonstration that there are enough people out there with the right attitude who care that would make RTCW a great tournament for Qcon to have. If the community tries to put together a league in good faith and it falls victim to endless bitching, hacking, broken rules etc it means groups like QCon will stay away from the game.

In the past people have left RTCW over disputes with some of the leagues like CAL and TWL. Those people may very well be interested in coming back and trying something new given the opportunity. If they're just going to run into assholes like yourself, kalamazoo, then you're right they won't come back.

Regarding Gamesurge, they just don't like the word "sucks" in a channel name, legit or not. I'm in the process of clearing it with those who have some level of authority.

The attitudes of people like kalamazoo, juventus, and spec opz are what will cause something to fail. Keep an open mind and a positive attitude and you'll be surprised just what can be accomplished. I don't see any reason why we can't have another successful league and bring back some attention to the game.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:33:37 PM | rabia-hiki v | ^ | #
So you're called an asshole for giving a valid critique, by the admin of a new league trying to get rid of admins he considers assholes? Looks like the pigs are wearing knickerbockers and feasting at the dinner table tonight.

In other news, I'm creating the League of Anarchic Wolfplayers. Matches are mp_base weeknights from 8 pm to whenever ;-).

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:35:49 PM | KrAzYkAzE v | ^ | #
Kala isn't an asshole, he was mearly stating his opinion. Gl with your league, I don't see myself being a part of it.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:40:31 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Yeah, I tend to think someone is an asshole if he calls my ideas delusional and makes statements like "WTF who thinks like this??" I might be the admin, but I that doesn't mean I'll take kindly to people who insult me.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:46:32 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
And, for what it is worth, I would still welcome anybody to join and play regardless of my personal opinion of them so long as they behave. I try to not let that sort of thing affect my sense of fairness or decision making.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:50:31 PM | serbian v | ^ | #
lol @ "swedish" scheduling

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 09:52:17 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
I think one of the things wrong with wolf right now is that there's too many leagues. TWL, CAL and STA each have just enough various teams in them, that one league that could mesh them all together would be fairly large.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:08:49 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
So say warchild comes up with a kickass design like he did for fragfest, we give it a professional name, and I flush out all the admin details into the site for the teams and it has all the bells and whistles.

Does that honestly make the league any different? The underlying concept is the same -- one league that isn't part of a template from a larger organization where all the teams from the various leagues can join together and play. Instead of having CAL and TWL and STA and ladders and this and that and the other, you have -THE- rtcw league -- The one league where everybody plays and has fun without all the BS and has some control over how things are run.

The idea is the same, wippuh. The only difference is that putting on all the bells and whistles to make something pretty takes a LOT of time. Instead, I say drop all the pretenses, go with your basic text-based site that has the functionality, and get it rolling.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:11:56 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
i wasn't trying to come across like that, i don't enjoy getting into conflicts with any of my fellow rtcw players. it seemed to me like you were the asshole at the time, saying "leagues like this better succeed, or else!" and "if this league fucks up, it's all your faults!" i truly do wonder who would think on those terms.

i still don't see what the great difference about the league will be. has not being able to lock rosters, or matches getting forfeited because of a GUID mixup really caused that much of a problem for the existing leagues? just how many matches have been forfeited due to GUID problems? of all the people that have left due to disagreements with CAL/TWL admins, i'd bet in at least 80% of cases the admin was right and the player was wrong. the admins aren't wrong because they're enforcing the existing rules which are out there for everyone to see. i think the shadiness of admins is overstated.

i was just giving my opinion when i say you're delusional. to me, imagining that this league will even break even, let alone have some influence on quakecon, be the messiah of rtcw, is delusional. not your fault, but it's what we're stuck with this late in the game. imo, the only thing that can save rtcw at this point is it being at quakecon, a decision which is likely already made. if a solid 10 seasons of CAL, TWL, STA, OGL, etc haven't gotten us there, then i doubt some startup league called "This League Sucks" is going to help sway their opinion. quakecon has OGL affiliations, they run things like the existing leagues, GUIDs, rules, rosters.

i'm pretty much a negative nancy anyway, so don't take me too seriously

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:13:13 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
anyone remember Rumble In The Desert? how did that shit fail at the PEAK of RTCW?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:19:28 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
howabout organizing something like the one day cup but for NA?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:24:40 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
Copy that, Wipp. I'd much rather there be 1 league now.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:28:13 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
supply and demand

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:34:27 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
Thorian, I think you will find that over time you will be put in situations that will dictate that you put those types of rules in. Just like when a smaller company becomes larger and has to install policies for their internal operations.

All in all, you're no different than CAL/TWL already in terms of just RtCW.

I think that if this league does work, you'll be doing nothing but hurting the community by splintering it further than it already is. My suggestion to everyone who is trying to bring RtCW up is simple. Go out and get your lazy buddy, who's not doing anything already, and form a new team for next season.

To me, EVERYONE knows 1 person that with only a little nudging, will come back and play a scrim or two a week and participate in a match.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:36:49 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
Also, I think that the leagues all going to the same rotation was a bad, bad move. Kalamazoo saying Supply and Demand is dead on with that. Way too much supply and barely enough demand to fuel each individually. There's not really a solution though, everyone has their fav league and the one way to bring teams together is to get one league to stop offering RtCW as a game.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:47:14 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
typical 7nup HaXaplonty wanting his hacking butt buddies to be able to play in a league again.

Belive it or not Mr. Special, their are keygen's and ip changing tutorials on the net. It's not THAT important to us. Man, just look at you, sad angry lil man. Last I checked this topic was about developing a league for players, so gtfo unless you have a contribution/suggestion that doesn't revolve around pseudo-inflating yo pea-sized wennie.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:54:44 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
Please Lox, just go away. I'd rather Wolf die than have asshats like you being the kind that are coming back to "support" it.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 10:55:11 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
Thorian, you misread my posts. I have no biased anti-league attitude, in fact, I am one of the very few left in all three CAL, TWL and STA leagues so I am hardly a guy to be called negative about any start up league.
My point is same as Wippuhs, too many leagues and not enuff clans. Period. You WILL be making more rules as you go along because the kids who you will be dealing with force you to be consistant when they bish and moan over disputes if your league gets that far.
I officially say, GL with your endeavor and I wish you well. I am one guy who really enjoyed this game and hope you all keep it going.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:05:08 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
Supply and Demand are variables that can be influenced by the invironment and regulations any day of the year. While thorian has already changed the supply by putting up a league. The question is: will he be able to generate the demand for it by creating marketing strategy that is based on name "this league sucks" and service quality "no rules and admins".

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:10:00 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
o yea,

stupid ingnorant sad angry cute little loxodonte needs to shut the fuck up.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:11:02 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
And how do you you know the size of the specopz' wennie

i wonder

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:15:07 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Or I could always just nix the whole idea. I mean, if people are against it I'm not going to force the issue. The code for the league is something I'd be developing regardless, maybe to use in the future for another game, or possibly even developing for non-gaming leagues. I do a lot of work for sports officials assigments and whatnot as well, and this type of thing goes hand in hand with that. So ultimately, whether I do a league for RTCW or not has no major impact on my own plans. I just thought that since I'm developing something like this anyway there's no sense in not putting it to use.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:32:57 PM | Justin* v | ^ | #
Heh, yes thorian, But what i find Disturbing is, you talk about these so called "jackass" admins ruining the leagues like there trying to kill the game. 99% of the pbss/wallhacks whatever it was for proof was valid and 100% enough to ban the people that have been caught. So mearly i just think this is something to get back at admins for enforcing the little problem you had vs asf.

P.S. Punkbuster was also involved.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:44:18 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
Nah, I honestly think Thorian's intentions are legit. Everyone I've seen try this in the past has always been a huge fan of the game, nothing more or less.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:44:29 PM | v1D v | ^ | #
You know LoX, why do you want a 3v3 League so bad? There is one already started in TWL :o

It doesn't matter what you make this league 3v3, 6v6, 64v64........it's already been made...well maybe not the 64v64 ;) All this league is trying to reach is pretty much freedom of rules which sounds like it should be worth a shot imo

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:50:06 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
Thorian, the fact of the matter is that any one of us can attempt something positive and new, but we don't have the resources to make it work. Even though it sounds ridiculous, the only reason why CAL is the most competitive league is simply because of it's name. I think CAL has done a good enough job, but could do more for the community. I think CAL "sponsored" tournaments and other events would go over the best rather than individuals trying to organize something new. TWL and STA have been important in the past, but the competition in those leagues has just fallen off and divides the community. There needs to be one, and only one, focus in competitive RTCW and CAL is the best place for it.

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:50:51 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
You know LoX, why do you want a 3v3 League so bad? There is one already started in TWL :o

Is it osp?

  Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 11:58:45 PM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
yea

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 12:03:02 AM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 04:32:57 PM | Justin* v | | #
Heh, yes thorian, But what i find Disturbing is, you talk about these so called "jackass" admins ruining the leagues like there trying to kill the game

I never said any jackass admin is ruining a league and trying to kill a game. All I said is that my league would intend to be free FROM jackass admins. Big difference buddy. And yes, there certainly have been jackass admins in both CAL and TWL that have fucked over legit teams left and right while turning a blind eye to the wrong-doings of their buddies.


  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 12:04:20 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
My point is same as Wippuhs, too many leagues and not enuff clans.

3v3 = twice the clans. Basic math imo.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 12:05:43 AM | high.warchild! v | ^ | #
"And yes, there certainly have been jackass admins in both CAL and TWL that have fucked over legit teams left and right while turning a blind eye to the wrong-doings of their buddies." -Thorian

I Seen it!

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 12:19:01 AM | brucE#ooo7 v | ^ | #
this idea sucks

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 12:39:39 AM | FMJ|Virv v | ^ | #
So this morning I went into the Hair Pullers chat room? And there were people talking about pulling techniques. well I thought it was Pissclams, and other guys, but then I went to the forums and there were thousands of topics for pulling hair, so I thought it was real people. I am confused :\

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 12:52:57 AM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 at 05:04:20 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | | # | Edit | Delete
My point is same as Wippuhs, too many leagues and not enuff clans.

3v3 = twice the clans. Basic math imo.


It's also half the fun.


  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 01:05:01 AM | Justin* v | ^ | #
lol, Ok there free style champ thorian

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 02:04:49 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
It's also half the fun.

that would be an opinion imo.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 02:08:42 AM | tTt-BeeZ v | ^ | #
APPARENTLY MORE OF A LIFE THEN YOU, DONKA.


OH SCHNAP! CALL ME FUCKING CASANOVA CAUSE THAT COMEBACK FUCKING OWNED YOUR ASS BITCH, PEACE.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 02:41:47 AM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Justin, feeling guilty of something? When I write about CAL and TWL admins I am writing about admins that date back to the leagues' inception, not just the current staff. Believe me, both organizations have had far worse happenings than anything in the past season or so. Don't get defensive and assume I'm referring to you, champ!

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 04:45:35 AM | Major-Jedi v | ^ | #
this league will fail but thanks for trying. :O

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 09:32:02 AM | Mortal :o v | ^ | #
LoX, there is a 3v3 LADDER on TWL, it has 35 or so teams on it, alot of competition. Been good games so far.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 02:01:39 PM | LaughingBoy v | ^ | #
Rumble in the Desert :o
I was in that for one match before it collapsed (may have been preseason or some shit. Undefeated, bitches. :|

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 05:45:23 PM | conscious* v | ^ | #
"this idea sucks" Couldn't of said it better bruce nothing against you Thorian but I think this league would just cause more confusion, but I think a 2 vs 2 ladder would be a great idea, do that and let all the leet pairs battle for bragging rights.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 06:09:39 PM | Resin v | ^ | #
States Cup anyone?

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 07:20:36 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Ok, so we're scrapping the initial idea. I'm going to work with warchild on coming up with something better. Not sure exactly the direction right now, but I'd still rather see a 6v6 league that all the teams participate in -- things like 2v2, 3v3, etc are fun but hardly any kind of real competition. It would just take a whole community effort to get the teams all signed up for the new league as a priority over something like CAL or TWL -- not saying those organization should drop RTCW or anything, but maybe take a back seat to something newer that is geared specifically towards RTCW. Right now people see CAL as THE league, but we all know nothing new is going to happen there to inspire people to play more or bring in new/old players. There's always the potential for sponsors if we can make strong showing as well.

I dunno, things are still being worked out. We'll see where this goes and I'll make another news post with more info. If you think you can help find me on IRC.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 07:55:16 PM | .asf.Angel.gp v | ^ | #
I think we should make all the leages run diffrent maps during the week. That would realy stur things up.

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 08:28:25 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
Cash prizes?

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 09:42:12 PM | Spiza v | ^ | #
Yeah, prizes are the only thing that would get a lot of players back (and probably even more hackers). Now I guess juv has offered to provide the cash for these. :p

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 10:54:25 PM | FragPlaysWoWNow v | ^ | #
Thorian you blow. Tryin to get a new league so jfreak and underdawg can play with yall again rofl! ggz until someone respectable comes up with a league it wont fly. I recommend donka for running a league and I recommend thorian to uninstall any web browser on his computer thx have a nice one =/

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 11:07:35 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
Just out of curiousity, why is their a pb cvar restriction on m_pitch and m_yaw? As far as I know, all they do is change the horizontal, or vertical sensitivity of the mouse. Now why the hell would that be restricted considering most mouse drivers allow you to change those settings within the software, like Razer drivers or the Logigamer software...leagues should remove them thur pointless restrictions.

And Cal might want to have their banlist available 4 viewing. How many month's has it been gone now?

  Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 at 11:18:06 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
wtf are you talking about frag. I quit Trinity, I don't really talk to Jfreak anymore and he isn't even on irc or playing, and I never really did hang out with underdawg other than scrims and matches. So whatever bro, you really think I give a shit if either jfreak or underdawg ever play RTCW again? Does their ability to play a video game online really mean that much to me? Jesus christ use your brain boy, I like the guys but if they hack they hack and I ain't gonna let them come back.

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 01:07:17 AM | .asf.Angel.gp v | ^ | #
mpitch is limited becuase if u set it to zero it is essentialy the same thing as center view

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 05:51:57 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
Not really. I never tried centerview, but I'd assume you'd have no kickback on flat surfaces, which is way different then m_pitch. Here, I just found this:

It is quite clear that if the enemy player is on level ground, it takes little effort to keep the crosshair at head height, and the player only has to worry about moving the mouse left or right in order to aim well. Of course, this makes it harder to adjust aim for players movements going up and down, but this is easier regardless of mouse settings anyway, you can see the terrain levels and predict height changes relatively easily, and on flat terrain the enemy can only either jump up or drop to a crouch or prone position - which is both slower and much less movement (i.e. much less angle change for aim, maybe +/- 45 degrees even at point-blank range, more like +/- 1 at long distance) than you can do by sprinting to the side (up to +/- 180 degree aim movement maybe necessary). A player would have to step off a small cliff for his head to change height suddenly and force a large down/up change in angle for aiming at him. A very low m_pitch:m_yaw setting, because of up/down aiming, can in some situations be a big disadvantage to the player, but in many others be a big advantage. To make it worse, it is possible to make a script to toggle the low ratio on and off when necessary. Clearly there is a need to restrict how much players can take advantage of this.

http://www.rtcw.jolt.co.uk/content/enemy_territory/server_guide/myaw_mpitch.html

Heh, he say's "clearly" but, apparently I'm dense because I don't see a huge advantage for any player having yet another button to press, just to look up or down faster... Besides, the same effect can be had using cl_yawspeed or cl_pitchspeed with some wait states and a +lookup or +lookdown, and of course, those cvars are legal.

All the m_pitch and m_yaw cvar restriction is currently accomplishing, is giving players with old mice/cheap mice or bogus software a disadvantage. Essentially, if you got the cash, you buy yourself a logitech mx5XX series mouse, or a Razer, and the software will be geared up with options that render m_pitch and m_yaw restrictions to be absolutely pointless. That's great, but only the kids with these new mice will have that advantage.

Now, because I know the league is soooo concerned with "fair game", hince network settings from 1993, I thought I'd bring this to their attention. If you're going to assume some player in CAL will actually have 56k (pffffft), then I think it would be safe to assume some player out their is going to have a mouse without the "special" options.

Actually, I can tell you right now, these cvars will not be changed. Why you ask?

http://www.thisleaguesucks.com

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 05:45:03 PM | .asf.Angel.gp v | ^ | #
well its quite simple set your m_pitch to 0 and u will never loose headshot level...
But yah exacty what he said

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 07:08:26 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
you mean, except for when a player jumps/ducks, or just happens to be on an uneven surface or faraway? You'd also prolly want a lagged hitbox @ mpitch 0 because you will not be able to counter the vertical kickback you get when shot. mpitch 0 is not an advantage, however a lower m_pitch sensitivity can be, and as long as their is a restriction on the cvar, players with the right mice/software combination will have the advantage.

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 09:20:26 PM | .asf.Angel.gp v | ^ | #
yar

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 09:59:58 PM | Major-Jedi v | ^ | #
LoX who r u maybe we should interview this guy just cuz im clueless perhaps

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 11:12:46 PM | Major-Jedi v | ^ | #
LoX who r u maybe we should interview this guy just cuz im clueless perhaps

  Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 11:17:19 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
Posted on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 at 04:12:46 PM | Major-Jedi v | | #
LoX who r u maybe we should interview this guy just cuz im clueless perhaps

we are all asking the same thing...


  Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 12:05:37 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
Is this another example of me hating on you spec?

  Posted on Thursday, March 17, 2005 at 01:31:41 AM | OpZ v | ^ | #
I lub you LoX, you crazy 7nup. Call me?

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