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Upgrading Soon? It May Pay To Wait...
  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 04:02:02 PM | pissclams
  According to sources at Intel, the company may begin shipping their dual-core processors sooner than expected. Originally set to be available by the end of June, the chipmaking giant has now up'd the ante on AMD and noted that they will ship even sooner than that. AMD's dual-core CPU's are not slated to become available until 3Q05.

The dual-core release will be a big step for Intel as they try to bridge between themselves and AMD which was created with the emergence of the 64 bit AMD line which is highlighted by the steroid laden FX-53 and it's big brother the FX55. For most mainstream apps, Intel estimates about a 40 percent performance improvement.

More information about the dual core CPUs can be found over at cnet:
http://www.cnet.com/4520-6022_1-5756419-1.html

Read Comments (78)
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  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 04:10:17 PM | tTt-robesz v | ^ | #
sounds like that could mean a lot of fps..

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 04:14:10 PM | eightS v | ^ | #
wtf piss, you can't stop playing on the calecovision =(

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 04:48:41 PM | justin_ v | ^ | #
I wouldn't recommend a dual core cpu to any gamer, at least not before unreal3.

The only way this would have any real upside is if the dual core processors drove down the prices of the single core cpu's, then it's worth it to wait and buy a single core. Dual core is exactly the same as dual cpu; applications will need to be multi threaded to see any real performance benefit (and ZERO performance benefit if you're running XP Home/98, unless you upgrade). Yes yes, I know, background process are offloaded to the idle core... blah blah blah. Unless you render video while you're gaming (or plan to), you'd be lucky to see a 10 fps boost. Besides, decent proc + best vid card has shown to be better fps wise than best proc + decent vid card lately.

Go ahead and save that money.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 04:59:35 PM | -|ts|-Ulu4 v | ^ | #
Buy an AMD Venice core, overclock the bejesus out of it, and put the money you saved into an X800XL or better.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:00:24 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
my dilythium chrystals are at full warp now Captain, they can't take it much longer

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:06:08 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
That was kind of my point Justin from CAL, when the new dual core are released and Intel's speeds are more at parity with AMD, the high end AMD chips will come down in price. And for the guys who wont stray from AMD, the EE line will drop too when the Dual-Core CPUs ship.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:25:00 PM | Sir_Shaggy]NARF[ v | ^ | #
Dual-Core CPU's with dual processors would be the leetsauce.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:29:57 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
get a dell, there the best

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:37:31 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
waiting on plex.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:38:16 PM | justin_ v | ^ | #
From your post: For most mainstream apps, Intel estimates about a 40 percent performance improvement.

Intel's 40% is a tad generous imo, and I don't see any mention of costs being driven down by the dual cores in your post :P.

At the same time, I'm a bit skeptical that we'll really see prices driven down like I want to believe. My worry is that the pricing ceiling will be raised (Intel: It's not one processor but TWO!!!!) and the current parts will stay semi-static. With dual core procs comes higher complexity and lower yields + there's only room for half (if that) the dies on a wafer. Also, I highly doubt we'll see current FX and EE chips come down to realistic prices... with the marketing dollars that have been put behind the two lines it doesn't make sense for AMD and Intel to undermine that structure.

The performance/price ratio will improve (as it always does), but probably not drastically enough to warrant holding off on an upgrade if now is the time. There's always something that much better around the corner in this market.

P.S.
What would be really exciting is dual core gpu's. Bring back (out?) the Voodoo5 6000!!!!!1111

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:45:18 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
There's only so much money that people have or will spend.
No point in introducing something people can't afford to buy.
When the new dual core cpu's come out, the current high end wont be the high end anymore, their prices will drop.
Judging on the weaksauce sales of the EE's I doubt Intel is going to go even higher with a sub par performance CPU.

The 40% increase in performance # came from Intel, not me, I guess your testing has proven to show something less :(

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:46:38 PM | palad1n v | ^ | #
WHAT THE FUCK DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH RTCW?!!??! DELETE THIS FUCKING SHIT AND BURN IN HELL PISSCLAMS!!!!!!!!!

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:53:09 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
What was it we had for dinner tonight?

Well, we had a choice, steak or fish.

Yes, yes, I remember, I had lasagna.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 05:54:50 PM | justin_ v | ^ | #
Just because you can't afford to buy it doesn't mean other people can't ;). And sometimes there is a point in introducing things that people can't buy... Remember the P3 1GHz part (Slot 1). Not only could most people not buy it due to the price, you couldn't buy it even if you wanted to. In fact, that part still runs WAAAAY more than it should (it was at $500 or so a month or two ago... $500 for a P3) because yields were just that low.

If Intel can't effectively mass produce these I doubt any prices will be driven down. Generally speaking, Intel (and others) will make 80% of their profits at the top 20% of their line, so if they're seeing huge cost on their high end parts (dual core poor yields, low chips per wafer) I don't expect we'll see Intel set price points at the current high end.

A guy can always hope though :).

(And EE's sell weaksauce because the FX beats them outright at the same price points, and people paying for that much performance generally aren't jaded by the Intel marketing machine.)

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:08:30 PM | radigan v | ^ | #
From here on out, no matter what intel does, it cannot match performance with AMD, the fx-55 is a beast. Imagine its dual-core counterpart to this. GG Intel.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:12:13 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
the question is: will pissclams upgrade his 10 fps computer?

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:29:36 PM | -x-mario! v | ^ | #
nerds

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:33:26 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
buy a dell

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:44:13 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
Our second round BoB match up was against Large Scale Destruction. This match marked ss-donka’s first foray into RtCW competition, and he came up huge for us by single-handedly defending the gate area.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:52:12 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
I like pissclams topics :)

Hey, I gotta ask. When I was first building my pc, I was told by m-audio that Intel processors are better for audio/video production, where amd is geared more towards games. I'm curious if this is true, or was ever true. I currently have a 3.06HT/533, but am running without HT under Win2k. I'm also using Rambus pc800, so I'll have to get new ram with the motherboard and cpu. I'm thinking I'll upgrade to the 64bit AMD 3400, which would be my first AMD processor. I know it'll pay off in RTCW, but I'd hate to take a hit in audio production. Can anyone shed a lil light on the subject? Is it worth the upgrade?

justin: "Besides, decent proc + best vid card has shown to be better fps wise than best proc + decent vid card lately."

I've experienced the opposite. I think you'd be better off with a 64bit 3400 and Geforce3 then a Pentium 2ghz and the newest NVIDIA card....at least in wolf.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:56:50 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
not sure but, sounds like ya got enuff shit to join a clan, imo...

ggz on killing Wippuh, =/

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 06:59:17 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
Is this me h8ing on you again spec?

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:02:44 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
upgrade from 3.0 HT Pentium to 3400 AMD... interesting

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:07:25 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
that's like 2.5 fps boost in quake 3.. which is like 1 fps boost in rtcw

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:08:48 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
not even guaranteed

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:24:38 PM | f.EAu' sala v | ^ | #
bah, dual processors, with hyperthreading and ultra core and all that shit can suck my balls.

i have a ti 4200 with a non-spinning fan, my shit is raw

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:47:41 PM | gisele v | ^ | #
Mmmm AMD > Intel. YAY!

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:52:03 PM | Hotniks v | ^ | #
"i have a ti 4200 with a non-spinning fan, my shit is raw"

lol

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:55:23 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
Lox-
Yes that has pretty much been the accepted thought, that Intel does better for a/v decoding, etc, whereas AMD rocks games.

Q3 based games are CPU dependant moreso than others, but q3 is ancientsauce and as games are moving towards becoming more vid card heavy fuck the bullshitsauce.
I'd think twice about your possible upgrade, sounds like nonsensesauce tbh.

IRT Donks: no on the upgradeface.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:56:59 PM | gisele v | ^ | #
MACs are good for a/v, imo.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 07:57:55 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
I think it's the FSB that does the trick donka. Rambo has the same vidcard I do, but with a 3400 CPU, he got 100fps higher in checkpoint. I guess I'm not as worried about the game aspect as I am to a potential downgrade in audio or video production. That would suck.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:11:25 PM | justin_ v | ^ | #
lox:

what exactly do you mean by audio production? as for your proposed upgrade path, i don't think you're looking at the performance increase you would want for that sort of cash. a/v performance is a lot closer to even now than it has been in the past. basically, intel dominated integer and fpu performance, then the athlon came around with incredible fpu performance and intel was slightly ahead on integer performance, now amd is stronger fpu and very very close to even on integer.

(much of intel's previous performance advantage in a/v can be attributed specific coding for the pentium line and use of sse/sse2 instruction sets. as amd has incorporated those sets they've narrowed the gap significantly.)

also, regarding the comment on processor vs vid card... i forgot we're talking about q3 engine games here :). piss is right on that front. current gen vid cards are not the bottleneck on an engine that has been around for... what, 4 years? however for any modern game, decent proc + higher vid card = better :).

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:25:51 PM | LaughingBoy v | ^ | #
OpenGL (Quake 3)
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-13.html

Video Editing and shit
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20041221/cpu_charts-18.html

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:28:54 PM | tTt-robesz v | ^ | #
justin MANSECHS?!?!

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 08:47:04 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
Uuoogh
suck on my chocolate solted ba-alls
..
put'em'in'your'mouth and suck'em

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 09:06:06 PM | -|ts|-Ulu4 v | ^ | #
What will you actually be doing? Studio work rarely includes encoding audio to mp3's, and if it does it's definitely not the area which requires alot of performance. Sure a P4 is better for encoding / normalisation, but an A64 will do better with most FX and VST-instruments. Add the fact that Cubase SX3 should allready have a 64bit version ready which according to Steinberg incresases performance quite a bit, and I don't think P4's are the way to go anymore.

Take a project with a pile of audiotracks, slap a few reverbs, compressors, eq's on top, and maby even some creative fx, you would be suprised at how the performance scale will tip in the real world. Another potential project would be running Reaktor, or other fairly heavy soft-synths and slapping the fx on top of them...

In a real audio working enviroment you need the juice to be able to run it in realtime. Once you run out of performance you have to start bouncing down tracks to audio which loses alot of hands on control. Once you've worked like this on the edge of your computers performance for a few weeks you will be ready to encode the final result to an audiofile, and this is where Intel shines... For the 5 minutes it takes to finish the encoding.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 09:33:55 PM | fX AlphA v | ^ | #
I have the FX-53 coupled with a GeForce 6800 Ultra and a gig of Corsair dual channel. I must say, I am absolutely spoiled by the FX 53. I go on campus and use the 3.2 ghz P4 Intel's and they run like complete garbage in comparison, imo.

Excellent processor if anyone is thinking of upgrading.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 09:51:38 PM | jespak.lr v | ^ | #
sup kids

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 10:07:22 PM | fX AlphA v | ^ | #
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH SHIT. Look the fuck out children. Hide your wives.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 10:10:25 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
Down with nades. Period.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 10:44:21 PM | GGAllin v | ^ | #
Someone buy me a new pc.

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 11:22:49 PM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
331 (p4 3.06) vs 410fps (amd 3400)

3.06 P4=2:27 vs AMD 3400 = 2:48

Thanks LaughingBoy, that's what I was looking for. Think I'm gonna go with the upgrade. My p4 numbers prolly still aren't that good considering I don't use HT anymore, not to mention my motherboard only supports 4xAGP. 400-500 bucks for the upgrade, and I'll sell my old shit in a new system. =D

My last question is about compatability. I mean, will the 64bit shit work ok with all my programs and hardware, I have a weird soundcard, m-audio delta 1010, that's why I ask. Currently using Sonar software for audio, and Vegas/Virtualdub/TMPGE for the small amount of video I tinker with.

Any last words of wisdom for someone about to purchase his first amd?

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 11:33:32 PM | v1D v | ^ | #
"VID PULL YOUR FUCKING GUN OUT!!"

i heart nades

  Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 11:45:42 PM | -|ts|-Ulu4 v | ^ | #
You won't have any compatability issues until you switch to a 64-bit operating system. At that point you will need to find 64-bit drivers for your devices.

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 12:14:19 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
koo koo, thx.

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 12:50:01 AM | BiRdZ meshugr v | ^ | #
Justin came out of nowhere and fucked my head up with his proh nurd speak ;) I need to sleep, gg's. :/

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 02:40:15 AM | KeP v | ^ | #
I want to see benchmarks......till then...bleh

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 02:41:09 AM | KeP v | ^ | #
Besides, I'm 100% AMD; I wonder how much shit AMD dual cores will kick the shit outta Intel. :o

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:44:48 AM | lacerate v | ^ | #
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22:41| 22:09| (@p`TOTC) (20:04:59) (p`TOTC) well that's not really necessary
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22:41| 22:09| (@p`TOTC) (20:05:33) (p`TOTC) 5. Give donations to my paypal in excess of 100 dollars each week.
22:41| 22:09| (@p`TOTC) (20:05:39) (p`TOTC) 6. Give Hardware donations to my 'organizations' every month of more than 100 dollars in value.
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22:41| 22:10| (@p`TOTC) (20:06:03) (s|method) im only 18, still in school n shit
22:41| 22:10| (@p`TOTC) (20:06:19) (s|method) but i could donate as much as i can, i got a job n all
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22:41| 22:10| (@p`TOTC) (20:06:42) (p`TOTC) these guys are dedicated to professional gaming
22:41| 22:10| (@p`TOTC) (20:06:47) (s|method) i didn't say that
22:41| 22:10| (@p`TOTC) (20:06:48) (p`TOTC) and they get the honor and respect
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:07:29) (p`TOTC) well what kind of amounts are we talking about
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:07:49) (p`TOTC) just so you know these are just requirements that barely make our team suffice
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:07:57) (s|method) i mean i only make like 150 a week...
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:08:02) (s|method) after school is done
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:08:06) (s|method) ill be makin mad money
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:08:11) (s|method) pullin in like 300 a week
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:08:38) (s|method) is there any alternate to faxing the contract?
22:41| 22:12| (@p`TOTC) (20:08:41) (p`TOTC) is there a way you can get state or federal aid (ie food stamps)? those really help in our title 15 status as an organization
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:09:33) (p`TOTC) def already pulls 1500 from the feral government
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:09:41) (p`TOTC) and he donates 80% of it to the team
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:09:44) (s|method) how the fuck does he do somethin like that
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:09:54) (p`TOTC) well
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:09:59) (p`TOTC) that is just one alternative
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:10:14) (p`TOTC) about the contract
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:10:31) (p`TOTC) the contract is very important as it states the regulations and limitations of the team
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:10:43) (s|method) right on
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:11:14) (p`TOTC) plus it stipulates if you're ever good we can sell to other teams
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:11:21) (p`TOTC) or if you canno tpull your weight
22:41| 22:15| (@p`TOTC) (20:11:29) (p`TOTC) we can trade you for money too
22:41| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:12:40) (p`TOTC) I cannot proceed with the process if the contract plus a minimum donation is given at signing
22:41| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:13:07) (s|method) so i shouldn't tag up then
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:13:30) (p`TOTC) one of the legal rules of the team is that no one outside the team can have this tag in any shape of form
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:13:51) (p`TOTC) if you are not in the team you can get heavily sued for having any sort of tag that resembles ours
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:15:29) (s|method) never knew you could get sued for using a tag :o
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:15:46) (p`TOTC) I hope you're kidding
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:15:57) (p`TOTC) this is like any other sport
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:16:06) (p`TOTC) professional gaming is a serious business
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:16:28) (s|method) do you dislike me or something? you like givin me a hard time :/
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:17:01) (p`TOTC) ohh sonny boy
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:17:07) (p`TOTC) this isn't a hard time
22:42| 22:25| (@p`TOTC) (20:17:11) (p`TOTC) plus I don't have all day
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:17:15) (p`TOTC) there is a line you know
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:17:23) (s|method) well i want to join
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:18:40) (p`TOTC) there are many
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:19:00) (p`TOTC) and i've heard a rumor that a lot of fX players were interested too
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:19:13) (s|method) (23:12:13) (MiliTant) fx prolly coming over
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:19:23) (p`TOTC) they are suppose to be good, and the organization is greatly looking into it
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:19:26) (s|method) i guess they finally realized wolf was dead :P
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:20:11) (p`TOTC) well the question is if you can at least accomplish some of the requirements
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:20:24) (s|method) yea i can
22:42| 22:26| (@p`TOTC) (20:20:28) (s|method) ill bust my ass to
22:42| 22:30| (@p`TOTC) (20:20:28) (s|method) ill bust my ass to
22:42| 22:30| (@p`TOTC) (20:23:09) (s|method) so..?
22:42| 22:30| (@p`TOTC) (20:24:28) (s|method) is it a go or what
22:42| 22:30| (@p`TOTC) (20:26:22) (s|method) ;/
22:42| 22:34| (@p`TOTC) (20:28:48) (p`TOTC) yes
22:42| 22:34| (@p`TOTC) (20:28:55) (p`TOTC) im discussing your situation right now
22:42| 22:34| (@p`TOTC) (20:28:58) (p`TOTC) with the team
22:42| 22:34| (@p`TOTC) (20:29:21) (s|method) alright
22:42| 22:36| (@p`TOTC) (20:32:03) (p`TOTC) the team feels that the requirements should be met
22:42| 22:36| (@p`TOTC) (20:32:29) (p`TOTC) because some of them feel they are giving considerable amounts they feel it necessary for you to do the same
22:42| 22:36| (@p`TOTC) (20:32:42) (p`TOTC) is there any Pawn Shop's close to wher you reside?
22:42| 22:36| (@p`TOTC) (20:32:46) (s|method) yea
22:42| 22:36| (@p`TOTC) (20:32:55) (p`TOTC) you can probably pawns omething for this month
22:43| 22:36| (@p`TOTC) (20:33:05) (p`TOTC) pawn something*
22:43| 22:37| (@p`TOTC) (20:33:36) (s|method) just ask them to give me a chance, and ill try my hardest to help out. i know a lot of them are dedicated to this shit, and i want to be also. i really wanna play w/ them
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:17) (p`TOTC) okay
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:22) (p`TOTC) they want you to play
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:25) (p`TOTC) you can tag up
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:29) (s|method) alright
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:31) (p`TOTC) and i'll Mail you the contract
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:34) —› nick: (s|method) is now known as (smf|method)
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:36) (smf|method) hoopin55@aol.com
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:34) —› nick: (s|method) is now known as (smf|method)
22:43| 22:39| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:36) (smf|method) hoopin55@aol.com
22:43| 22:40| (@p`TOTC) (20:35:36) (smf|method) hoopin55@aol.com
22:43| 22:40| (@p`TOTC) (20:36:19) (p`TOTC) pm smf|damage for the channel info
22:43| 22:40| (@p`TOTC) (20:36:25) (p`TOTC) i gtg go get some hardware
22:43| 22:40| (@p`TOTC) (20:36:27) (p`TOTC) for the servers

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:46:37 AM | morphine v | ^ | #
there goes his pro gaming career

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:50:16 AM | [fX] MiliTant v | ^ | #
hoppity hop,hoppity hop

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:53:26 AM | fX AlphA v | ^ | #
int IQ = 0
while (IQ == 0)
printf("Method is genuinely an idiot");
end

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:56:22 AM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
i was gona rip method apart, but after gay ass alpha did, i dont feel like it, this totcs guy seems like a punk fag dork anyways, both are gay

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:58:30 AM | serbian v | ^ | #
Nice thing to post on your own teammate. Excellent recruiting decisions as well.

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 07:01:19 AM | morphine v | ^ | #
he did it behind our backs and he was also tryin 2 beg redman to join LoT...

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 07:08:34 AM | Cowboy|Ryan921 v | ^ | #
Man those are some fucking dorks...

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 07:16:33 AM | Mortal :o v | ^ | #
Method is now proved to be the dumbest man alive.

PS: r3dm4n did join LoT, and Warzone left. Radigan is in LoT aswell. There goes their rep. GGs LoT, you guys sure like those hax :).

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 07:32:26 AM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
redman said he never played rtcw and not hacked , ggs

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 08:40:39 AM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
i can totally see now how method is hopping the clans hehaw

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 09:36:43 AM | gisele v | ^ | #
Um, it seems like Method knew he was getting bullshitted but didn't want to be rude to ruin his chances of getting in the clan...

Why is that posted btw? Isn't SMF an ET team? Doesn't Scourge play wolf? Not seeing the big deal.

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 10:59:48 AM | Mortal :o v | ^ | #
Scourge is playing ET next season.

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 12:14:08 PM | .Banks v | ^ | #
WHo in the fuck pays to play for a fookin team!? My God, I cant believe anyone would pay anyone to play serious or not. There isnt one game, or one ego, or one team worth paying to play for. I think some take this shit WAY to serious, get a life. Saladin, I feel your pain bro, I still got a pci vid card 0_o

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 12:15:59 PM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
actually there was a team called replicants (aka roflcants or replicunts) whichever you want to nickname them. their leader = redman, they don't play in CAL because he was banned.

they suck up to LoT for like 2-3 weeks, and are now their et division and picked up warzone/militant

s6 or euphoric or wygc or w/e their name was before the change, are now smf>>

fa was the first to do the "pro-gaming" move when -p-andemic picked them up as their et team. they were the only ones to get anything out of it (ie. sponsorship and not just old team tags"




Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 03:59:48 AM | Mortal :o v | | #
Scourge is playing ET next season.


doubtful, they signed up for this season but either forfeited/lost 4-0

they've tried playing et before in many unsuccessful attempts


  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 12:17:03 PM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 05:14:08 AM | ColBanks v | | #
WHo in the fuck pays to play for a fookin team!? My God, I cant believe anyone would pay anyone to play serious or not. There isnt one game, or one ego, or one team worth paying to play for. I think some take this shit WAY to serious, get a life. Saladin, I feel your pain bro, I still got a pci vid card 0_o




If you didn't know, he was kidding 100%. Just shows the stupidity of method (which we already knew about)


  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 01:05:17 PM | paper v | ^ | #
tell me that was a fucking joke

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 04:26:03 PM | warzone v | ^ | #
Fuzion, Me mili and norstar quit Locked.

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 04:30:07 PM | warzone v | ^ | #
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 11:12:13 AM | doNka, PhD v | | #
the question is: will pissclams upgrade his 10 fps computer?

Uhh pissclams joined [r_mode3] remember, his computer arrived ages ago.


  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 04:57:44 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
pr0 fuking gheymerz, lawlerz to the hawlerz.
Do you know where mommy keeps her purse?

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 06:59:29 PM | lacerate v | ^ | #
fuzion this is the first time s|is playing et..... Second if you count wunderbar from season 3 i think, but even they went to cal-m finals and lost. Anyways we joined et this season and seen theres like 2-3 games left so we decided to wait

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 10:11:26 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
which makes et or it's community worth being a part of why?

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 10:18:50 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
low rate of fire, easier to do the "CoD dance" imo...

We can Cod dance if we want to
We can leave your friends behind
Cause your friends dont dance
And if they dont dance
Well they're no friends of mine

  Posted on Friday, March 25, 2005 at 10:39:21 PM | Mach1ne v | ^ | #
ahaha, FUCKING BRILLIANT!

  Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 12:20:47 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
lol, what a joke.

  Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 04:20:47 PM | -(-DaKind-)- v | ^ | #
vac2 goin beta next week, bitches.

and if people are still upgrading to hold 125 fps on a quake 3 game...uh...

  Posted on Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 07:45:49 PM | morphine v | ^ | #
u kno how many ppl r gunna get banned...100000000000000000000000000000000000000000

  Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 02:13:25 AM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
yea my bad, I was thinking of immortals

  Posted on Sunday, March 27, 2005 at 07:23:10 PM | crucial v | ^ | #
immortals et was hardly unsuccessful, we just got bored with the game because it blows, we were like 5-0 heading into the dT match when nothx started being a pie and the rest of us just didn't like the game

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 03:40:19 PM | v1k!ngISCG v | ^ | #
Posted on Thursday, March 24, 2005 at 03:44:21 PM | GGAllin. v | | #
Someone buy me a new pc.

lol, yes someone needs to get right on that. I'm looking at a certain kid who happens to work at a deli.


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