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Show The Love
  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:00:30 PM | c[_]`Wippuh
  Rumor has it that CAL is not much in the mood to support RtCW anymore. Take this chance to post in the comments, the reasons on why you love RtCW so much and why there should be a season 11.

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  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:04:40 PM | Resin v | ^ | #
Rumor has it that players are not much in the mood to play RTCW anymore.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:07:32 PM | Mortal :o v | ^ | #
I would disagree. Alot of people are coming back from what I see in my clan and a few other clans like AS, SiC, etc. -x- is coming back, along with new compers like us (divine), AS, SiC, uN-clan, and old guys like aSf, NoX, Xtreme Soldiers, etc. If fX comes back, then its anouther team. But if they don't then something could be interesting with the other players joining other teams, more competition, more teams, etc. FU might come back, along with Inertia. Who knows... All i know is alot of people are still interested in this being in CAL.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:13:01 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
What's CAL?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:13:11 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
What's RtCW?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:13:27 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
Who are you fucking people?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:21:11 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
god i can't imagine why they'd be tired of it.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:22:45 PM | foetwinny v | ^ | #
Hackers in denial is what killed this game for TB. "Im not hacking" Wtf ever. Someone gets called out, and they'll just deny it, or have 10 of his elite posse back him up. Man-up? riiight. Rtcw is teh Terry Schiavo of gaming. Just let it die.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:40:01 PM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
Are you insinuating that True Soldiers hacked you 3 seasons ago? Lol. I think the interest is still there. It actually looks like next season would be better competition and less lopsided then the previous few seasons. Get some of those shrub clans, who surprisingly have decent shots, to try out OSP comp (like -x soldiers-) and I think there could be another successful season.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 04:46:28 PM | foetwinny v | ^ | #
Insinuating what? A game is a game, a score is a score. We lost. You called yourself out. I don't recall pointing any fingers at anyone.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:09:33 PM | Major-Jedi v | ^ | #
RTCW IS THE BEST TEAM GAME EVER! I MEAN CS IS STILL IN CAL AFTER 7 YRS AND PLENTY MORE HACKING PROBLEMS THAN US. LET RTCW STAY PLEASE!!!!

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:17:31 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
Twinny, dude, bad analogy. The lady's fucking dead, this is a game.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:23:06 PM | Major-Jedi v | ^ | #
IMO:
i also think the negative attitudes (this includes hack accusers and stuff) from people are what killed the popularity of the game. Many people look at what the community has to say before jumping into competition. And this community thrives on negative energy that is channeled thoughout the community forcing new rtcwers to seek another game or hack themself.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:25:37 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
I don't think negative attitudes killed the game. laws and slag were super negative attitudes and they helped the game thrive. I think ignorant attitudes are what killed the game. Guys who wanted so bad to be the best but couldn't and therefore went every which way to displaced those better than them with their ignorant rants. Not to mention the morons who didn't want to be the best, but just wanted to hear themselves talk.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:28:04 PM | tb*christpuncher v | ^ | #
i fail to see how twinny's analogy is bad. perhaps in poor taste, but it does seem apropos. i love wolf, best team game ever, but the game got hacked, hard for anybody to take such a thing seriously especially in a competition setting (and when it's so damn blatant), unless you wish to denigrate yourself and join the hax too, in which case, what's the point to competition?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:45:05 PM | BYE|ralphtehnader v | ^ | #
To answer the question asked instead of talking shit to seek attention for my negative behavior like a schoolboy who is crying because I missed recess:

Wolf is the best team-play game out there. It is timeless. Games with cash awards will survive because money motivates. If this game was still supported by cash tourneys, it would still be alive and well.

And all the hacking, etc. doesn't matter really. I've played through it all -- sometimes I'll get raged on pubs but when you play with a team with good communication, there's surprise. And you can't hack surprise, sorry pal. The ability to have 6 people put their ideas together and develop a strat to win, while reviving and surviving in a unique spawn time system -- that's what makes this game timeless and a blast to play.

Not to mention the friendships that have been developed. Everyone has their own personalities, some rougher than others, but deep down we've all had passion to win and compete -- and that brings us together. Unfortunately, the hacking discourages many. But I've been playing this game for 3+ years now and I would be retarded not to recognize trends in how players behave, where they may go when they spawn, where an a/s is going to be tossed -- it frustrated people when they have no way they can surprise the enemy -- and that's when accusations fly.

Keep this game alive if at all possible.

www.billcarleton.com

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:56:11 PM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
I'd play RTCW next season. I wouldn't mind seeing a few changes though. IE. 5v5 (even throw in a roster cap of 9 or 10). Bring back sub, ufo, keep, throw in some new maps. Sub, Ufo, and Keep are always real competitive maps and are normally always close games in some sort of fashion, fun to watch on WTV too.

I would rather see more maps that are easier to cap on, instead of watching/playing in full holds on maps like assault and beach. Hell, just throw in base2 by OPP and beach2 by kolosok or the F1 guys. I really enjoyed playing on Kolosok's mp_predproject_te as well, very nice doc run :O

Rocket is another map you can cap pretty fast on with good offensive pushes.


Ok, what I think I'm trying to get to is people still love RTCW, they're just tired of the same stuff over and over. NO MORE FULL HOLDS :O

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 05:56:39 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
in what way did laws and slag "help the game thrive"?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:01:54 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
laws and slag generated a lot of discussion. Sure, most of it was flaming, but it was never baseless accusations and bullshit like we see constantly now. They took teams and really put the time into them to keep the game going. All I see now is guys killing the drive for others to play this game.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:02:03 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
What is CAL?

CAL is a gathering of the leagues with the same format, pretty much that share the same site.
CAL is a nice website.
CAL is cool name. Cyberathlete Amateur League.(btw majority of people would deny any attempts of being called cyberathlete)
CAL is a child of CPL. Not sure how it actually benefits us, but the status is somewhat there.
CAL is where people go.

Are those really positive features of CAL? I look at them as hygene factors really. CAL doesn't give anything extra to provide people with extra fun. Two admins - one mostly at work, another one is hackophobe who spends ALL his time bragging how bad this game has become and how good it was when he was a newb. I'd rather see a better CAL FINALS coverage than a pointless top20 list. Sry wippuh, you might be offended, but I do not think you do your shit right, and that offends me and others.

The rumor is that CAL might drop RTCW. The question is - are we ready to drop CAL? I've said this in private channels infront of some people - CAL is a killer. CAL does not give enough motivation to play this game for many people. Ten weeks of dull season and then playoffs - s a m e _ s h i t over and over. Played a match - report results.
It'd be pretty stupid of me to bash on CAL like that without having an alternative to replace it. Well, alternative is not yet here, but it will be, at least i wish it will be. That's as much as I'm willing to say at this moment.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:04:40 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
sub was week1 of this season fusion.
Frostbite, keep, and UFO weren't - that's a shame. Especially when people complain so much about not having freshER maps.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:06:32 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
I'm not really seeing the connection between CAL dropping RTCW and RTCW dying. CAL is just a league - and one that hasn't serviced the game very well over the past few seasons. There are guys who are caught blatantly hacking without PB that are not dealt with. Admins are not around on match nights when they are needed the most. Even pissclams had to put a password on the championship servers, and he had stopping being admin awhile ago.

The CAL website does nothing to actually promote RTCW. It simply is a shell that updates the schedule and ranking. Fantasy leagues, predictions, rants, a forum, stat tracking, player of the week, mvp of the matches, links to demos and screenshots, wtv and shoutcast schedule -- all of these are features that would make a league more exciting and increase both credibility and participation. A well organized league with these kinds of features are what attracts sponsorship. CAL will never offer that.

The point being, CAL merely supports whatever the latest games are out there. It does nothing to promote the games, or service the individual needs of each game. It does not attract sponsorship, and its admins are not trained in truly being administrators.

In truth, games are eventually hindered by CAL. It has built a reputation of being "the" league simply because of its ties to the CPL and the high counter-strike membership. The CPL and CAL have nothing to do with RTCW though. It's just a website to us, one that limit what we can actually do.

That is why I propose breaking away from CAL and designing a new league from scratch with the types of features mentioned above. People say it is too late for RTCW for whatever reason, and that may be true. However, there are still many successful community-run leagues for games like Quakeworld, which has fewer players than RTCW. The reason being is that there still is a dedicated hardcore fanbase that will not give the game up. I believe RTCW is beginning to reach that point.

Whatever you do, don't give the game up simply because you think it is "dead." If you still want to play the game competitively, stick around. There will always be others out there willing to play against you.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:09:00 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
And yeah, there are alternatives coming as donka mentioned. I guess we wrote our posts at the same time, so I apologize for reiterating some of the same points.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:11:34 PM | tb*christpuncher v | ^ | #
actually, you can hack surprise. there are such things as wall hacks.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:21:33 PM | KeP v | ^ | #
I saw this one coming. Nothing people post is gonna change what CAL decides to do about keeping or dropping rtcw. They are gonna drop it and that's it. TWL is the place to be now.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:23:40 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
"Sry wippuh, you might be offended, but I do not think you do your shit right, and that offends me and others."

Then start contributing if you're so good at it. I would love to see planet-rtcw.com turned into planet-donkaandjuvbashserbbctheycantbeathim.com. Seriously, that's pretty much all you do on here. Bash on Serb and then bash on some other people when you get the chance. There hasn't been anything positive from you in a long, long time.

I would love to hear who the "others" are. I would say the same thing to them. I'm always willing to listen and I rarely get any p2ps or pms on irc of real merit. You can also submit anything, anytime you want. If it's shit I delete it and wait for something quality to come up.



  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:25:37 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
Twinny's analogy is RIGHT ON THE DIME. RTCW is in that 15 year period where they refused to pull her grub tube. Sure RTCW is not dead but it's in a vegatative state with lots of people clinging onto what once was but will never be again.

Yes aequitas, I'll say you hacked us 3 seasons ago. I don't mind accusing anybody because the ammount of ass raping we recieved from hax that HAS been proven is 100 times more of a crime than any ammount of false accusations I could throw out. If you didn't hack and somebody is calling you out then look at it as a compliment. All I know is TB would have never quit simply because people said we hacked...

Ask any of my team mates and they'll tell you I was always the devil's advocate when it came to people calling out hacks when we lost. Then suddenly all those people that Rand and Kaoz said hacked got busted red handed. THEIR HANDS WERE FUCKING RED!!! They were right on with those fucks before the proof was released. Now I believe Rand and Kaoz and they've implicated lots of people that never actually got busted and YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.

I still say that all the asshats that make up the bulk of the RTCW scene are more to blame for the demise of the game than the h4x themselves. Lots of games have survived hacking outbreaks but that's because they had good solid sportsmanship for a foundation. I can count the teams I respected as fellow competitors on one hand...

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:32:38 PM | ReloadBlues v | ^ | #
Team Burque dropping knowledge.

R.B.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 06:41:48 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
donkaandjuvbashserbbctheycantbeathim.com

TWL Championship
Tribal valor > M E T A L gawdz @ mp_village
tribal valor: aequitas, donka, hiki, krazykaze, plex, rambowl
metal: alphaneo, salading, serbian, specops, vatican, warzone

you're outdated news maker wippuh

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:02:54 PM | tb*christpuncher v | ^ | #
and you've proven his point, donka.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:04:28 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
the more i'm thinking about it, maybe CAL dropping RTCW is the best thing that could happen. would get rid of some of the splintering of the community and maybe TWL would be a bigger success. really whatever website keeps track of the matches isn't a huge concern, it's all about who plays who.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:05:34 PM | rabia-hiki v | ^ | #
Props to Thorian's post. We need a league with more active admins that administrate and promote the game, be it CAL or an alternative.

Also, I'm sure Elliott is happy to provide Burque with his demo of that match.

P.S. I like Fuzion's suggestion of a roster cap of 10 players. No more team stackage.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:28:20 PM | DrEssErWooD! v | ^ | #
Who cares if they drop RTCW or not. From what i see, is that every person is fed up with CAL's shitty participation in the RTCW community. I mean i think the admins should be active in the community and should want to make the league more interesting. The difference between TWL and CAL is really nothing other than the fact that the top teams view CAL as better. Why? I don't know, they seem the same to me. I think if TWL could add the features that Thorian was talking about, we should all move to TWL. TWL is has very active admins and could result in a positive experience for everyone. The only matches that I have played in where an admin was present for part of the time was during a TWL match.


As for these tb dudes, I mean come on. You lost a match like 2 seasons ago. Stop whining. You already left the game so what you say doesn't really matter and probably no one really gives a fuck. Stop reading the forums and the website if you hate the game so much. You don;t see me on here whining about how the week before that my team was about to cap and when the match but somehow the server crashed right before our guy got to the truck. hmmmmmm.....who cares. Practice more and youll come back next season alot better. I mean the only matches my clan lost this year were to the top few and one fluke match against blur. I can honestly say that the reason we keep getting better is because of the game smarts I am teaching all players that RalphtheNader said.


Anyways to get to the point if TWL wouldn't mind putting together a few of those features, i think we should all move to TWL. If CAL is actually gonna show that they care about the community and add some features then I say cool we GIVE them another season to get their act together or we peace out. whats the point of sitting around and letting the game we love be in the hands of a few admins.


Oh and i wouldnt mind helping out with the admin thing next season or help with the added features.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:32:41 PM | Resin v | ^ | #
Who cares about CAL. TWL > CAL in oh so many ways. Here's 5:
1. Mature admins that listen to players, eg, Vixen and Rahl when he was there.
2. There's a small percentage of more mature players in TWL.
3. Website is 1000% better, Match Comms to communicate, post IP's, Times.
4. Rung based Ladders.
5. Demo uploads allowed.

The Color Yellow Says you are Horrible!

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:32:48 PM | fatninja v | ^ | #
I for one hope CAL keeps supporting RTCW... I like CAL and i like Wolf

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:35:32 PM | lacerate v | ^ | #
why do people say css take more teamwork then rtcw? Rtcw has classes,respawns/spawnkills/running obj its route as opposed to just planting it. Im not being smart but i just dont understand, I mean rtcw has all those things that require communication.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:37:03 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
I'm shocked that every Team Burque member has come to defend their teammate and split hairs with me about my word choice.

Comparing RtCW to a lady who just starved to death is weaksauce, want to argue about that? If so do it in the mirror b/c I ain't listening.

What are you guys doing here anyways? You couldn't handle the heat when shit got hot and left, isnt't there a Planet-I-Smoke-Too-Much-Weed.com you can go to?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:39:16 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
And expecting any league, CAL or TWL or STA or whatever the fuck, to RUN the community is Mongloidian.

Get a fucking clue, the leagues are on the ship, they shouldn't be driving it.
When they do, you lose, open your eyes nups.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 07:59:33 PM | KeP v | ^ | #
The community isn't dead. It only seems that way to the people that leave it. If CAL stops supporting RtCW oh well, move to TWL. It's not a big deal imo. Besides, personally I have always had way more fun in TWL than I have in CAL. Especially the shrub league :)

A famous quote per a fellow wolfer:

YOU DON'T GET UR NAME ON THE MEMORIAL IF YOU DON'T GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:09:15 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
I don't see any difference between TWL and CAL. We shouldn't have to rely on either of them to have good competition. TWL is just a template as well, and there is no way they will add all the types of features I mentioned. The main reason being that it requires too much customization of a single type of league within their system. They don't program each league individually, they program templates that the leagues are then conformed to. To add features to one would be to add features to all of them.

The only way to get the flexibility to add and remove features and tailor the league to the needs of the community is to build one outside of CAL and TWL. That was my idea with ThisLeagueSucks -- nothing fancy, just a quick and dirty set of pages to let people know who would play who. It was mainly to be a small league for those people who just want to keep playing regardless of the level of competition. It seems there is still enough interest to set our sights higher though, and so I'm planning on building something a bit more elaborate and professional.

Originally it was to be warchild and myself putting together the web interface, him doing graphics and me doing the programming. Then donka told us he was planning the same thing and so we all met together. Now warchild has disappeared, and so I am left without a designer. Donka was just going to use a template he found for a tournament originally, so I'm not sure what his exact role would be other than an idea-man.

Basically, if you guys want a nice league with all of those features I am willing to program it. It won't take me that long as I have most of the intial code base already in place. However, while programming up the functionality for me is a snap, putting together the web design and web forms is not. That is what warchild was supposed to handle -- basically he would do the front end, and then I would do the back end and link it together.

Without somebody to put together the front end, I can't get this done. If there is anybody out there who knows how to do graphics and web design, and knows HTML, CSS, and Javascript, and either already knows or is willing to learn how to place ASP.NET web controls into a design and style them, please let me know. Reply here, P2P, or find me in IRC in #[N4L].

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:15:29 PM | foetwinny v | ^ | #
Im sorry mr. clams. I didn't know we weren't allowed here. Nor did I know you had such a fondness toward a bolemic who's death was requested by her own husband. Im sure he was right there saying "Omg I want this bitch to die. Take out her tube" /me hands you a glass of water to feed the world. Im done. I refuse to text fight with you e-thugs.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:20:51 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
CAL and TWL are the same thing, just CAL is more popular. One really doesn't have more advantages over the other, although TWL admins are better. I agree with Thorian, and Thor, it wasn't that I thought your idea for a new league sucked (no pun intended) it was that I knew gathering support to make it the #1 league with the majority of RTCW teams playing in it was pretty impossible.

What TB is saying is fine, people are still too naive about hacks. Does everyone hack that gets accused? No. Does everyone hack that doesn't get accused? No. However, there are a number of people that DO hack. It's a fact.

Pissclams, don't get pissy because you thought Schiavo was hot. I heard the

Can't
Admin (a)
League

was looking for help.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:21:23 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
donka, lol, the first time you posted it I thot kool, he is feeling good, but as you begin to paste the metal Tv match over and over, I mean really, you guys beat a pub team that scrimmed an hour before the finals, we had no problem getting docs and going with them, the issue was not clearing out the corners and getting vaped or backraged which is a result of no scrimming unlike inertia did for a solid week, and it showed. It could have been 3-1-1 had we got a real all clear and not an assumed one, but it wasn't, we basically beat ourselves and frankly, I had a fun season fukin around with METAL guys and thank them all for showing up and playing whenever they could. So please man, gj on your first finals win in 10 seasons, I remember my first title too.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:22:13 PM | ==*{SGT.DICK}*== v | ^ | #
And I would support Thorian's work for a new league, even if my team wouldn't (although i'm sure they would).

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:27:46 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
Reading Comprehension for Dresserwood and Pissclam's: F

We don't hate the game. Read what CP said again. What we're "splitting hairs over" is the h4x and asshats the ruined the game we love so much.

Last I checked me and CP weren't every member of TB but way to be dramatic Pissclams. Maybe you should check out www.planet-maybe-i-need-prozac.com...

"YOU DON'T GET UR NAME ON THE MEMORIAL IF YOU DON'T GO DOWN WITH THE SHIP."

Problem is that the ship sank when the whole "Psi has been using undetected hacks for seasons" fiasco broke. Have fun on your life-rafts...

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:29:04 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
"you're outdated news maker wippuh"

I'm a person with vacation days who thoroughly enjoyed them. I seem to have a life outside of this website and updating my database with everything Serbian has done in the last 3 years.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:32:00 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
And if anyone here is seriously in love with the idea of e-sports, CAL is the one league that can probably get that done. Nothing wrong with TWL either. CAL is the little brother of CPL, which is a legit company making a business (and money) off of video games. TWL is a player/volunteer based league that has really taken off from the grass roots effort that it was initially.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:34:10 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
cal rtcw is a hackfest

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:34:30 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
sta >

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:39:20 PM | warzone v | ^ | #
Things that are killing wolf.

1. Lack of a good pub. People got used to speakeasys, then are just lazy to join a new server. All these pubs that Zeaus and others have put up would thrive if the speakeasys were passworded.

2. Hackers, ever since the silo bot was released it seems that alot of people just got good.

3. Lack of PB updates. The bot was released to public, so that means pb could block it right? It's not like many of these kids using now would know how to reprogram it to get it to work right again.

4. CAL I feel has done a very poor job of maintaining its league. I like justin and all but I feel he was not a very strong admin.

5. People bullshitting all the time. Enough said, this whole thread is full of it.

I'm sure if I thought hard enough I could think of a few more, but rtcw wasn't killed by one person. It was a team effort friends, we made it to cal-i of morons.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:39:48 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
lol @ esports & rtcw in the same thought

just out of curiosity, what was said by CAL that makes you think they're not in the mood for another season?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:40:48 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
And unfortunately, Wippuh, neither CAL nor CPL care about RTCW. Talking e-sports in general is one thing, but talking about the immediate needs of the RTCW community is an entirely seperate issue. I support what CAL and CPL are trying to do for video games (not necessarily HOW they do it, but the general idea), but they do nothing to help RTCW specifically. We need to focus on what WE can do to help our game right now, not try and get these other organizations to do it for us.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:44:08 PM | OpZ v | ^ | #
regarding CAL, I think pissclams was a big loss to CAL when he left, I think TWL runs their league way more user freindly than CAL. I mean admin match communications is brilliant, for that matter STA admins are more hands on than the CAL ones imo, but I dont have any real bad feelings on CAL peeps. That said, the admins of the league are not/ did not killing this game. You're fooling yourselves if this is what you think.
The real killers are the fuktard kids that have no groinal pubescence yet that have hacked, lied, crashed, smurfed, cheated, whined, accused, botted, exploited, forum hated, and all other immature nupfesting that has gone on for 3 years. The down side of MP online video gheymz is that there is a big strata of 14-17 yr old kids that have zero clue on how real life PERSONAL RELATIONSHIPS AND INTEGRITY effect their COMMUNITY. Players that have actually gotton out of high school don't want to continually change the kids shitty diapers and run a nanny service cuz mommy and daddy are always at work.
"let's crash a server/ use a pwn-bot today man.." Tee hee hee, lawlers didja see that?
Obviously, I have met some players 16 years old and up that have acted more mature and had more game sense than alot of older players too, dont get it twisted.
I had fun with some real kool cats I have met and enjoyed the ride, was fun. I don't see how if CAL drops RtCW (sad if it happens) how anybody wishing to remain in leagues should trip out. Go to TWL or elsewhere. The only thing stopping those leagues from being a top league is...
YOU!

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:44:17 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
-fx-warzone: truer words were never spoken

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:46:50 PM | c[_]`Wippuh v | ^ | #
Yes, but keeping RtCW in CAL definitely has some strong repurcussions.
- showing strong support that an id game can have a long life in CAL
- showing that a game w/o a major tourney in forever is still going strong

There's a lot more, but it's all stuff that works for us, the game, id and the concept of esports.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:53:38 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
calling yourself a pub team when you started 2/3 of the top team (who scrimmed the 3 days previous) in the league is kinda questionable. your team scrimmed when it counted. TV was only 2/3 inertia as well, and i don't recall seeing them scrimming either.

not that donka isn't out of line as always, but fuck the guy, let them have the buzzard and be proud of it without the excuses. it wasn't completely unprovoked. it's no worse than serb coming in on a "gg" thread to say how bad we got "Rolled" despite having a 6ms ping disadvantage and only having scrimmed < 10 times.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 08:55:58 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Wippuh, Quake 3 was the primary CPL game for several years. And yet it was the QIL, Resurrection, and KIT and now Nova TDM that keeps it going to this very day. It lasted in CAL for only 2 seasons - less than a full year.

Trust me, CAL has no relevance on the success of a game as an "e-sport."

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:01:10 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
just fyi spec, tribal valor didn't scrim once. I'm sorry to interrupt this discussion w/ this FACT.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:07:14 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
tv wooped up on metal dawgs last night , i seen that ggs,

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:09:50 PM | serbian v | ^ | #
Kids, kids... You'll never learn.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:18:58 PM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
irt tb noobs: damn after 3 seasons and you are still sour that you got rolled by the #17 seed in the playoffs. Will happily post the demo when i get home ;)

But reading this was the funniest thing hands down ever on this site:
"donka, lol, the first time you posted it I thot kool, he is feeling good, but as you begin to paste the metal Tv match over and over, I mean really, you guys beat a pub team that scrimmed an hour before the finals, we had no problem getting docs and going with them, the issue was not clearing out the corners and getting vaped or backraged which is a result of no scrimming unlike inertia did for a solid week, and it showed. It could have been 3-1-1 had we got a real all clear and not an assumed one, but it wasn't, we basically beat ourselves and frankly, I had a fun season fukin around with METAL guys and thank them all for showing up and playing whenever they could. So please man, gj on your first finals win in 10 seasons, I remember my first title too."

Rofl, a pub team that happened to play 60% of the cal champs' roster. I think you did havea prob getting the docs and going actually ;) And the issue certainly wasn't getting vap'd for you, only 45 kills in half a rnd from the panz. You scrimmed, we didn't. We had one of our guys with no mic, you didn't. When will the excuses stop? You put together this team to carry you to "another" meaningless title, all players who bitch about your strat obsessing and blaming of players when you do absolutely nothing. GEEEEE GEEEEE. Alsizo yousa shUd tr! t4lk!ng like an adult someday, maybe someone could possibly takeyouseriously.
GG'S SINCE 2002

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:19:56 PM | CAL|Lavery v | ^ | #
I was reading over the site and I felt compelled to say something. I was informed a couple of weeks ago that administration had some concerns with maintaining RTCW as a source of competition. However to make a long story short, it is now my understanding that CAL-RTCW will have an 11th season.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:21:11 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
good job donka we all care!

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:25:04 PM | serbian v | ^ | #
I remember my first title too.

W.A.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:26:09 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
and cal|lavery is really hellbent again?
I know you care pissclams, that is why you've been cal admin, wtv admin, and mooshu's peepee admin back in TRO season. :D

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:26:32 PM | vem v | ^ | #
niggas let me back in and ill make this bitch thrive.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:32:54 PM | rabia-hiki v | ^ | #
"we had no problem getting docs and going with them, the issue was not clearing out the corners and getting vaped or backraged which is a result of no scrimming unlike inertia did for a solid week, and it showed. It could have been 3-1-1 had we got a real all clear and not an assumed one, but it wasn't, we basically beat ourselves"

If I recall, you guys spent the final 3 minutes of a round holding onto the objective, trying unsuccessfully to clear out SW and south tower, only to have time expire.

You scrimmed at least one more time than we did, which was a grand total of zero.

And equating i' to TV is like equating fX to MG, since 4/6th of the former was in the starting lineup of the latter.

Please check the excuses at the coat room.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:36:41 PM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 01:34:10 PM | Saint|TransiT v | | #
cal rtcw is a hackfest

odd because you said every team you played in STA this season "hacked you"


  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:38:04 PM | tb*christpuncher v | ^ | #
aequitas: i don't recall any tb'ers pointing at anyone or any match regarding hax. you, however, seem more than happy to relive and share your faded little memory of when you won 3 seasons ago.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:38:34 PM | CAL|Lavery v | ^ | #
Donka, I do not admin for RTCW, I played RTCW for 6 seasons before leaving and I currently admin for a different game in CAL. A question was posed, I was reading the site and I wanted to cut it off before any more misconceptions were made.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:42:27 PM | Justin* v | ^ | #
heh, yes CAL will be back for another season. But if there are no more then 30 teams this upcoming season. It will not be back for next season.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:47:12 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
I think aequitas is mistaking his inflated cyber ego for our sour grapes. We haven't mentioned your quaint little upset at all, only the h4x in general that ruined the game we love. Funny how you keep assuming we are talking about you. Feel guilty much? EVERYBODY, TS UPSET TB IN PLAYOFFS LIKE THREE SEASON AGO. PLEASE GO BEG ELLIOT FOR AN AUTOGRAPH HE NEEDS SOME SELF ESTEEM OR SOMETHING!!! While you have your little upset Twinny and I still have our #10 IN THE WORLD QCON 2002 complete with $1000 prize to help us sleep at night. Funny how we did so much better on a h4ck free LAN than online...

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 09:58:21 PM | Thorian v | ^ | #
Justin - Was there even 30 teams THIS season? And why 30? What happens if there is 29? Or 25? I don't see the relevance of this magic number 30. If CAL wants to support it you will, if not you won't. Don't use some magic # of teams as an excuse to get rid of it. Just do it, or don't do it.

And, just out of curiousity, why exactly are you still an admin and what do you actually do? Nobody seems to know the answer so I just thought I'd give you the opportunity to inform us.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:08:58 PM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:25:37 AM | tb*chilifiend

"Yes aequitas, I'll say you hacked us 3 seasons ago. I don't mind accusing anybody because the ammount of ass raping we recieved from hax that HAS been proven is 100 times more of a crime than any ammount of false accusations I could throw out. If you didn't hack and somebody is calling you out then look at it as a compliment. All I know is TB would have never quit simply because people said we hacked..."

You just mentioned me earlier. And I assumed you would be referring to me after constantly saying that on wtv matches and of course not making an appearance in competition after your pathetic attempt of a match vs shrub destruction-only players.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:09:43 PM | Spiza v | ^ | #
I've talked to several players who have finally gotten into competition on the shrub league in twl and they all say the same thing: they like custom maps, they hate the attitude of osp players. Many of these teams are bad, and will ever be bad, but play the game cause they love it and just want to have fun.

Not having more custom maps is just stupid. I've heard the complaint that they shouldn't be there because they are not as good, but do you guys seriously only eat like 12 different foods, and just forget every other food item made because its not as good? Do you only watch the same 12 movies over and over because they are the best, or will you watch a movie that you know is not as good, but will still entertain?

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:10:51 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
ill be playing on 2 teams both in sta, fuck cal and twl

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:19:06 PM | fu|spitfire v | ^ | #
stats destroyed the pub, teamwork, and made people wanna hack.
just to see the HS count :/

take out stats, and dm_base is gone, teamplay improves, and pubs won't be AS hackfested.

blah

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:19:59 PM | tb*christpuncher v | ^ | #
aequitas: chili was making a point about accusing vs. actually being guilty. i could go on, but you could also re-read his post and try to actually comprehend what he's saying and the sarcasm therein. or you could polish of your 3-season-old ego and mention one more time how you won a match that most can't even recall.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:23:14 PM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
http://www.aequitas-owns.com/TS%20Demos/ts-burque-ufo-elliott.rar

just in case.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:26:25 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
playing custom maps is like eating your veggies

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:26:32 PM | foetwinny v | ^ | #
What is that? Porn? Noone gives a shit but you elliott. Please take your 3 season ego elsewhere. Thx.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:29:03 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 03:08:58 PM | i'aequitas
"You just mentioned me earlier. And I assumed you would be referring to me after constantly saying that on wtv matches and of course not making an appearnace after your pathetic attempt of a match vs shrub destruction-only players."

Yes that was AFTER you piped in assuming that match is what twinny was talking about. If you read the entire paragraph maybe you'll see my point was that accusations aren't killing the scene, it's the known hacks. I guess I expect too much from this audience...

I think all the h4x have gotten to your brain and are making you paranoid. I watched maybe one or two wtv matches since that playoff match. Please show me where I am CONSTANTLY accusing you. YOU ARE REALLY CONFUSED YOUNG MAN. I hate shrub and have never played a single shrub match. I won't even pub that crap until the add OSP crosshair shit. I might have joined some roster somewhere after somebody had some sceme but really I have no idea wtf you are talking about. Please seek help.

Let me make this clear so you can comprehend what I've been trying to say so you don't think it all revolves around some match you won how ever many seasons ago.

Team Burque left wolf because it became known that there were hacks that were undetectable and in use for many seasons. People got caught using hacks that we had played against in past matches. There was no sign of any pb support or solution to keep asshats from using these sorts of hacks in the future. Online competition was comprimised. There are no LAN competions. THAT IS WHY WE LEFT. Not because we hate the game. Not because we lost some match to a bunch of asshats. PLEASE REREAD THIS AGAIN TO MAKE SURE YOU COMPREHEND.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:29:23 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
im glad to see fellow elliot hackfest haters out there. welcome friends

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:30:59 PM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
lock the thread :()

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:31:23 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
lol your web domain says it all. I can't even remember that match to really know if I thought you hacked or not. I think you hack simply because you act like a hacker and it's easy to hack so chances are you do. Your demo means nothing. All it takes is for ANY MEMBER of your team to use a wall hack to give a huge advantage. One use of aim bot at the perfect time. Demo's prove nothing. How many people hacked for seasons, demos and all, and weren't busted until the server side screen shots caught them or somebody ratted them out? The fact that you posted that demo just makes me think you hack more really. Like a good lier asking to take a polygraph test to get him off...

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:33:34 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 03:29:23 PM | Saint|TransiT
"im glad to see fellow elliot hackfest haters out there. welcome friends"

I've come to learn if enough people all think the same person hacks then chances are they do. I ignored Kaoz and Rand too long, call me neive.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:34:14 PM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
Man you guys must REALLY get blasted way to much, so paranoid. Ever watch a S!lo demo? Nope, why? He never could post one.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:34:17 PM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
hes a toggler

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:43:18 PM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
there needs to be more criteria than just people accusing them. things like multiple guids and screenshots of pb kicks might be good indicators.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:47:45 PM | -opp bigbear- v | ^ | #
elliot: silo posted a few demos. Fuzion also provided me with some BEFORE silo got busted just because I asked. silo was mad good at hiding it BTW. Watching most of those demos you would never thought he wallhacked...However, his aim would go from being total shit at times to spot on in clutch situations

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:47:47 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
"Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 03:43:18 PM | kalamazoo v | | #
there needs to be more criteria than just people accusing them. things like multiple guids and screenshots of pb kicks might be good indicators."

What for? Nobody's asking that anybody get banned? The fact does remain that lots of hackers didn't have multiple guids or pb kicks before they got busted by other means. You have to accept the fact that there are people that will hack and never get caught. That is the true problem. Not the fact that I think Elliot has hacked.


  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 10:51:35 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
Yeah anybody that uses a wallhack to improve their panzer will never get busted by a demo. What class did you play Elliot? I can't remember...

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:05:57 PM | crucial v | ^ | #
tb bringing it to the face

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:26:22 PM | serbian v | ^ | #
rgr.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:35:29 PM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
I dunno. On offense when i capped you 2:45 medic, otherwise panz ;)

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:49:44 PM | tb*christpuncher v | ^ | #
jesus christ. he probably even remembers everything that went on in the console, too. hang in there man, you'll get laid one day and have a new moment of glory to revel in, and this will all seem silly.

  Posted on Thursday, March 31, 2005 at 11:52:39 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
lol then he'll post a video showing how he "capped" in 30 seconds flat anytime somebody bitches about not getting laid.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:06:09 AM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
i think elliott way WAY overreacted to foetwinnys first post and it's just snowballed from there after the accusation of hax. i had/have a lot of respect for Team Burque and i don't think they deserved to be shit upon like that. they were a good honest team. i remember that TS vs. TB match and i think we just got excited that we beat a team that was so much more experienced (i fell asleep that match night and didn't play).

i don't really see any "bringing it to face" other than relatively baseless hack accusations and assumptions based on mob mentality. there's not even any circumstantial evidence. just because kaoz and rand were right about a few people doesn't make them right about this one, or anyone else for that matter who is frequently accused. hiki and I have played with elliott for 3 seasons straight in TS, rabia and inertia. try watching some demos. maybe hacking isn't obvious in a demo (in some cases it actually is), but you'll see an obvious progression in skill, not a big jump, which i think came from him playing alongside progressively better teammates and endless hours of practice, pubbing and pugging. i fully accept that people hack and never get caught. i would say with the certainty of getting my balls chopped off that elliott isn't one of them. in my opinion he just has great hand/eye coordination and prediction skills. when people start playing the game after it's already been established of course they're going to be noobs at first and work up to a certain level.

watch the wolftv demo from last night. at one point warzone is camping in destroyed cottage in his usual spot, elliott tosses a nade there which damages warzone but doesn't kill him. elliott then proceeds to walk right on by without even seeing him and gets raged in the back. there are tons of instances like this which i think at least decreases the probability of a wallhack. if he had one i think it would've been on for this match.

plus it's hard to take it seriously when transit is the champion of the cause. no offense to the terror twinz tbh

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:09:59 AM | OpZ v | ^ | #
METAL ran my strats not fX strats donka, completly apples and oranges, I will take the loss for last nite as I was team leader. Don't tell me that Tv with donka, elliot, kk and hiki didnt scrim. I can gaurentee you that me, saladin, pissclams never scrimmed village until an hour before and everybody got to play last nite. Scrim or no scrim, Tv got the "W". Bottom line. Congrats.
You won a village match 3-2-1.
elliott, I have never really had an issue with you before, I didn't read all your post but, yeah I guess yr estatic.
You guys are a couple of real pieces of work, I mean first you bitch RtCW is dying because of admins, then you forum gloat on your first finals win vs a team of guys who played for fun with very little time put into it. Reading above it appears you guys have quite a following of fans too.

I remember my first meaningless title.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:23:12 AM | kalamazoologist v | ^ | #
it was a good fuckin game, can we at least agree on that?

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:26:58 AM | OpZ v | ^ | #
yes it was. ggs kal and Kk.

donka, as a buzzard collector..start watching your phone bruh, the gurlz are gunna start ringing it off the hiZZle any moment, call forwarding is a must.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:34:24 AM | KeP v | ^ | #
Ok, time for an on topic question. (Sorry to interupt the poo flingin contest):

Why would CAL decide just to "stop supporting rtcw" what the hell do they really do anyway other than provide webspace? The admins are all volunteers, so how does supporting or not supporting rtcw really affect their resources? O.o

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:42:52 AM | Major-Jedi v | ^ | #
LETS ALL STOP READING/WRITING AND FUCKING PLAY THE GAME ALREADY ESPECIALLY TB COME BACK AND HELP US WE TRULY NEED ANOTHER TEAM LIKE U GUYS BACK. ALSO ITS A GAME LETS REMEMBER TO HAVE FUN, I MEAN IT IS A HOBBY/SPORT!!!

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:51:17 AM | !tH!Gutshot v | ^ | #
i hope a few of the leagues quit supporting rtcw. would it not be better to have just one league with 40 teams than 3 leagues with 20, 20, and 10 teams? obviously some teams play multiple leagues but there's plenty that only play 1 or 2.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 01:36:52 AM | tb*trash v | ^ | #
TB represent. i must have the backs of my felow teammates.

1) to elliott - shrub grade nobody to leetsauce CAL panz hero overnight? gg
im done with that.

2) pissclams - wow. youre totally e-funny and shit. why the sore e-puss all of a sudden?

3) RTCW - terry -> pope -> RTCW kthxbai

p.s. i suck at this game but i've got a hawt ass

for the record, kaoz + rand + the majority of TB called hax on postal and red and silo and nikon and spyder fag and god knows who else PIPE RAGE PWNIJ.....WoW FTW bitches

only CC happening is me and my succubus punks

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 02:25:49 AM | rabia-aequitas v | ^ | #
fuck yah I am a hero, not to mention leetsauce...this thread rocks.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 02:35:43 AM | OpZ v | ^ | #
actually, every season there is always a new hax accusation.

maybe a her0, but not a $upeRHer0, !11!!!111!!111!!1

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 03:02:12 AM | (7*up)LoXodonte v | ^ | #
I don't think negative attitudes killed the game. laws and slag were super negative attitudes and they helped the game thrive.

lol. If I'm not mistaken, those guy's started wolfin a long time ago. Kinda hard to kill a game after it's been out only a year. I don't know how can clasify law's contribution into the "thriving" department. The majority of the guy's post's alway's have the theme: "I'm l33t oldskool. Neo nup's can't hold a candle, this game is dead and sucks big balls"

He woulf fall into that "negative attitude category"

Guys who wanted so bad to be the best but couldn't and therefore went every which way to displaced those better than them with their ignorant rants.

That sounds like negative attitudes too...who new that a negative attitude was completely different from an ignorant one.

The majority of "ignorant rants" take place on this website. Which is exactly why I find this next statement ironic:

I'm a person with vacation days who thoroughly enjoyed them. I seem to have a life outside of this website

If you did, I dont' think you'd be so infatuated with "ignorant attitudes". Less time reading ignorant rant's, more time playin wolf, more time invested in helping the game evolve = good.

All I see now is guys killing the drive for others to play this game.

Maybe it's different for some of you, but rtcw isn't exactly a social afair for some people. I mean, I play wolf cause I love classes, I like to sprint jump, revive, sprint, throw arties, and all that fun shit. I've realized this game has been infested with fag's for a long time now, but that's just a bigger pay off when I get the chance to dish some face in a pub. :)

imo, Wolf has declined in popularity because of the zillion of ww2 based game's that have come out after it's release. MOHAA, Battlefield, COD, and ww2 based mods aswell. ET didn't help much either. Essentially A playskool version of wolf, and it's free! Figure in the amount of people who consider gaming a popularity contest and you loose a few more people to conformity with the "point and click" CSS.

I also think RTCW is a game that requires a lil more coordination then some other games. Who knew that too many buttons would contribute to the death of a game. ;p

Blaming the decline of a game's popularity soley on ignorant people seem's a lil...well, ignorant. Seem's like you're tryin to pick a fight, making up for lost time or somin, yet fueling the ignorant fire. Go see a shrink, holding that shit in is bad.

CAL is not much in the mood to support RtCW anymore.

That sounds like CAL...just a moody lil bitch. Who care's about CAL, CAL blows.

Oh, I'm also a bit suprised that I find myself in agrement with just about everything donka said above about CAL. We do need somin better...

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 03:20:12 AM | OpZ v | ^ | #
HAI

hackers amnesty international

koombayah my lord, koombahyah...

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 03:24:54 AM | Saint|TransiT v | ^ | #
fuck cal, and fuck twl, GO STA BABY !!!!1

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 04:13:52 AM | -doNka- v | ^ | #
That gotta be the most valuable buzzard of all buzzards ever.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 04:43:02 AM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
and this just in:

mml_church needs to be a map this CAL/TWL season as well

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 05:14:06 AM | c][beast v | ^ | #
FUZION I AGREE. OMG the four horsemen gave hairpullers a good match tonight. mml_church was a solid map and tons of fun. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT IS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. it is well designed and ads to a hell of an intense doc run map with allies spawn and axis spawn. would be hell of fun
gg tonight fuzzy

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 05:53:25 AM | vem v | ^ | #
who cares..this game blows..in fact you all blow..go outside or something :P

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 05:56:05 AM | Spiza v | ^ | #
There are plenty of other good maps as well, but most osp players will only play/dl a map if its on the cal or twl schedule. I remember the first thing people said about et was that they liked the new maps, even though they had probalby only tried a tenth of the rtcw maps.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 06:26:37 AM | FuZioN)nG( v | ^ | #
yep we blow so bad we had to "test" some hacks and get banned :)

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 06:40:30 AM | KeP v | ^ | #
I agree, mp_church was the SHIZZNIT. I had a great time against 4H tonight. That map leads to intense doc runs.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 07:14:16 AM | c][beast v | ^ | #
Yea 4h guys are great dudes, if yall got teamspeak id definately recommend hoppin on with them. loads of fun and cool to chill with. was annoying the hairpullers constant "kids" remark. these guys play to have fun and that is why i play with them. none are anywhere close to "kids". lata

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 07:33:45 AM | tTt-Opio v | ^ | #
uhhhhh, wow you guys type a lot.... oh yeah, i like CAL.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 07:36:16 AM | Kunta Kinte v | ^ | #
Cal- Ummm, yeaaaa, see we are thinking about pulling the plug on RTCW unless you guys kiss our butts a little.

RTCW comunity- Get the fuck out then you lazy bastards!
You fuckers don't do anything anyway!
TWL IS DA PWN!
CAL hides hackers!
Get bent!
Cal- Great, glad we could get that settled. We're gonna go ahead and give you guys another shot. Thanks.


Fucking rich and gg alpha. lol

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 08:08:56 AM | -Raze- v | ^ | #
To the TB guys, did Rand and Kaoz hack?? i was always a little suspicious, but figured they were just good???

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 08:14:02 AM | -Raze- v | ^ | #
ALPHA HAX!!!!!!!!!!

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 08:30:55 AM | -Raze- v | ^ | #
CAL SEASON 11 SHOULD MANDATE ALL SERVERS MUST RUN THE NEWEST VERSION OF THE MD5TOOL!!!

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 08:39:57 AM | palad1n v | ^ | #
rumor has it troll hacked in season 8!!@

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 08:51:40 AM | -Raze- v | ^ | #
Well, Troll did hack. he even admitted it on vent, what are you talkin about Nate ???

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 12:53:45 PM | palad1n v | ^ | #
just saying...

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 01:54:28 PM | gisele v | ^ | #
Thank goodness CAL|Lavery popped in. I was sort of under the impression that since it seems Wippuh may be officially done with wolf, he assumed CAL would discontinue it's services (uh, or lack their of.) No offense Wipp, that's just sort of what I got from your comments.

Also, I agree with Warzone's list of things wrong. It really disappoints me that so often people put forth alot of good suggestions/demands and CAL never meets any of them. For instance, passwording the Gameclouds - for good.

As shitty as we all are to each other, I really don't think the problem is the community. It's the fact that we have no motivation to play this game besides our love for the game. (Which isn't enough for most people.) Except of course the hackers, but they aren't memebers of the community. They are the outcasts that get so angry because they recieve no attention since they blow :(
(Minus Vem and Synergy, they are just retarded.)

Finally, CAL|Lavery - I'd like to petition for you to come admin our game. I don't even know you, but the fact that you even cared enough to come peep in on a community you don't even run, says more than our admins. Plus, if an outsider to the current community came in, it would eliminate a lot of the biasness that goes on with our admins. (Aside from Akasha, not only is she nice, she seems quite fair.) Just a thought.

Bye friends :D

P.S. - Remember pimps, playas, and hustlas - you don't have to hack to make friends. *heart*

P.S.S. - Those of you that actually give a shit, and want to put some faith into Quackcon, I have been making some posts on the tourney forums. The director of tourney's expressed that the idea of a non-id game (ie CoD, CSS) being at Quakecon is highly unlikely. Check it out for yourselves if you don't believe me. Also, instead of flooding the forums with RTCW 4 QCON!!!1111 messages, it may be a better idea to e-mail Nate (the director of tourneys) and make RTCW suggestions there. (In a mature, professional manner of course...) Fight tha power brothas, let's get our favorite game into some tournaments.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 02:50:02 PM | palad1n v | ^ | #
its PPS gisele YOU RETARD!

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 03:04:49 PM | foetwinny v | ^ | #
High Raze. No, rand and kaoz are legit. Some of the best, if not the best q3 players in NM. Rand placed first in a state q3 tourney. They know their shit when it comes to configs. Props to them for bringing alotta q3 engine knowledge to the table. Kaoz changes washers out on his mouse. Mod kings at www.voyeurmods.com

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 04:59:33 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
Most of us have been raged by Rand's and Kaoz's leet aim in Q3,UT2k4,BF1942,etc in person at almost every Burque LAN. They are 100% legit pro-aimers. But with RTCW's crappy state of pb support we'll NEVER KNOW. They could be hacking and nobody would ever know, which is why we aren't coming back any time soon. Lets just hope they do something about h4x in RTCW2. PLEASE!!!

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 05:01:19 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
NM being Northern Minneapolis?
Those two couldn't rail their way outta a paper bag tbh.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 05:43:11 PM | foetwinny v | ^ | #
Haaaahahahahaha. Oh. its just you pissclams and your never-ending array of hate spam for us. You use to idle in our channel dood. Im not sure where your hate came from, but o.k. Northern Minneapolis it is.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 06:44:01 PM | pissclams v | ^ | #
It was a joke guy chill tbh, I thought about Nora's Mescalane but that wasn't working for me at the time.

  Posted on Friday, April 1, 2005 at 08:32:32 PM | tb*chilifiend v | ^ | #
http://caleague.com/?page=teams&teamid=42860

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